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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Could we move on rather than getting into a scrap?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Could we move on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Most of the correspondence thereafter to and from officials within the Department would have been copied to Mr. Watt and the various officials there are also attached to the TLAC secretariat. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: It is just to confirm it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: We are not dealing with the salary. I am just asking about the process. We now have it down to the point where Mr. Watt was asked by the Taoiseach to take the role. That is how it happened. Did a memorandum have to go to the Government then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: A memorandum did go to the Government.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: That is based on the memorandum to the Government.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: I understand that. It was based on a memorandum to the Government.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Was it based on a memorandum to the Government? The Government was notified about this, discussed it and the interim appointment was made.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Is that how the Minister describes a memorandum to Government? That is what I am asking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: I am not questioning that. I just wondered about it because I heard in the public domain that one Minister had declared that there was no memorandum to Government. That clarifies that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: I am sorry for intervening but I want to deal with this item first. If Deputy Matthews has questions directly associated with the first item he should please ask them and we can come back on the others if we have time at the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: We stated at the very beginning that because of the time pressure we are under we would take this particular topic first and that is what we are doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No. I would ask Deputies to consider that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Yes, there is, but we will deal with that in due course. I will come back to the Deputy. I call Deputy Durkan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No, we should move on to Senator Sherlock.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No, because we are short of time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Will the Minister quickly comment on the personal note sent to him from Mr. Watt which states: "I understand that you want to advertise the Sec Gen D/Health role as a 'TLAC' competition. Please see booklet attached and, in particular, the section on terms and conditions." What was the relevance of that note?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: In that note, is Mr. Watt pointing out that the salary was not included in the document? I do not understand the reason he would have pointed the Minister to the particular section on terms and conditions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: On the Secretaries General, there seem to be three levels - 1, 2 and 3. Is that correct? Mr. Moloney can respond if he wishes.

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