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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The first finding refers to a person "claiming, presenting for or receiving a benefit".

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does that cover the Student Universal Support Ireland, SUSI, grant or is it confined to the Department? It was not clear from the recommendation. I would consider receipt of a grant to be receiving a benefit. Is SUSI getting the go-ahead under that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: This relates to the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: As such, it does not cover people getting grants. We will discuss the response of the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection when its representatives appear before the committee. I cannot ask Ms Dixon to comment on the Department's response, on which we will have a significant number of questions to put to its officials. Ms Dixon may be surprised by two other issues. She...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Dixon gets the story I told.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Iarnród Éireann used that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. McCarthy explain that again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that the way it works?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not like the bus where people just hop on and the the company gets a grant. Is Iarnród Éireann paid per journey?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am talking about trains.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We know about the buses. Bus Éireann and other companies get a grant to cover the cost of travel passes. It is different for trains.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Iarnród Éireann knew.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: When Iarnród Éireann went back to the Department, for some reason, the Department informed it that the person was not entitled to the card. Maybe the Department had not cancelled the entitlement to the travel pass when it cancelled the carer's allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I do not know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, and it then went after the individual to prosecute. The public services card is doing all sorts of things.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I do not think this was an isolated case. The Data Protection Commission was criticised in one of the reports. I understand Ms Dixon said the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2015 was very hard to follow and unclear. She was critical on the basis that it was not clear how the whole system worked. She was accused of using pejorative and sensationalist language. I will make one point in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: These are genuine cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The authority is blamed for it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

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