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Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: That is towards the tail end. We will try to get to it, but I want to stick to the amendments under discussion. The Minister will then respond. The next speaker on this group of amendments is Senator Ward.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I apologise, but will the Senator please move to the seat next to him? It has a microphone.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Unless they are raising a point of order, Senators who want to intervene must ask the Senator who is in possession if they may do so.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I want to point out that Senator Ward is talking about what is and is not in the Bill regarding the sealing of the records. We are dealing with proposals concerning the deposit of the records with the Minister. These provisions relate to where the records are going to go, which is what the Senator is talking about. I ask Members to be mindful of their use of language and of making...

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I have allowed Members latitude because we are under a time constraint and some of them may not get to speak. However, we are drifting into a Second Stage debate and people are making speeches that do not relate to the matter under discussion, that is, the deposit of the records with the Minister. What transpired in terms of emails to Members and all of that is not relevant to the group of...

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I am going back to-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Senator is most welcome to address the House. He is in possession and other Members are raising points of information. However, my point is that we are discussing the first group of amendments, concerning the deposit of records with the Minister, comprising amendments Nos. 1 and 7 and Seanad Report Stage amendments Nos. 2 to 4, inclusive. I ask Members to confine themselves to...

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: That is the point I am making. I am asking Senators to stick to the subject matter of amendments Nos. 1 and 7 and Seanad Report Stage amendments Nos. 2 to 4, inclusive. Does Senator Boylan wish to raise a point of information?

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Senator Boylan is next to speak on the current group of amendments but Senator Ward remains in possession.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Sorry, Senator Ward-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I make the point, again, that we are dealing with the deposit of the records with the Minister. That is the provision in the Bill to which the amendments in this group relate. We are not speaking about emails being sent to Senators.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Senators are making the point, validly, that the discussion must be confined to the amendments under discussion. They have made their point and-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Senator has spoken on it-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: -----but it is not relevant to the amendments we are discussing.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I will make the point one last time that Senators are to speak only on the amendments that are under discussion. The issue of emails being sent, if it was in relation to-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Only if it relates to the deposit of records with the Minister.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Sorry, Senator Boylan-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Senator must address her points through the Chair. If she has an issue with what a Member has said, there is no problem in raising it but it must be done through the Chair.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: May I clarify the position on a point of order? If the Senator wants to give way, Senator Seery Kearney has 30 seconds.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Thirty seconds.

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