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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: If any other member wishes to speak, I will allow him or her to do so presently. I have a few questions for the delegates, whom I thank for their presentation. First, however, I wish to clarify a matter for the public record. We are often accused of being a little mischievous in who we call in, the idea being that we want to get headlines in the newspapers. That is not the case. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: In a sense, therefore, there is no great incentive for the commission to collect fines if they are adjudicated in the courts. It is really a loss to the Exchequer rather than to Ms Dixon's office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I mentioned earlier that I submitted a question some months ago to all Ministers about agencies under their remit with authority to take court prosecutions. In his reply on 2 April 2019, the Minister for Justice and Equality indicated that in 2014, the Data Protection Commission prosecuted fines through the courts totalling €25,000, all of which was collected. In 2015, just one...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Members will note that a division has been called in the Dáil. All members who offered have spoken.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will facilitate the Deputy, although she might miss the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Members may take it that I will conclude the meeting and they need not return after the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a few more questions. One of the commission's main findings related to information being held for longer than was necessary. People lose cards all the time. Surely if the information is in the system for a year, two years or three years, it makes it easy for a card to be reprinted? There is a value there for the body holding the information. Does Ms Dixon understand the point I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Ms Dixon explain what SAFE 2 is for the benefit of listeners? Although many people have a public services card, others, including myself, have not had a requirement to obtain one. Perhaps I will do so when I renew my driver's licence. Will Ms Dixon explain the process for those who have not applied for a card? It is not her job to do so, but it would be helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The proof of address requirement is getting more difficult to meet. I meet people every day in my office who are in rented accommodation and have pay-as-you-go ESB meters and telephones. They do not have utility bills.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is not an issue with the photograph, name, PPS number, date of birth, address or whatever. Ms Dixon is stating that there is no great need for the additional, supporting documentation to be retained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: On the issue of photographs, approximately 3 million cards have been issued. From a data protection point of view, how satisfied is Ms Dixon that there can be no cyberbreach or cyberattack by people who should not have access to the photographs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Dixon might clarify what she stated earlier. She indicated that she was setting out to publish a report containing a great deal of information and that she concentrated on transparency and retention. What will come next? Has the commission commenced that work? She might apprise the public in that regard. I gather that the report is only the first step. It has been published and, to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is the commission examining the use of the chip, given that no State bodies seem to be able to use it? To paraphrase Ms Dixon, it is unnecessary for the card to have a chip if no one uses it, and she is against collecting unnecessary information or data. Is the chip an unnecessary component, given that nobody seems to have a plan to use it? We were told years ago the intention was to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am sure Ms Dixon understands my reason for asking the question. The current and future location of the commission's office has been mentioned a number of times. I will give Ms Dixon a little warning. The record of the Office of Public Works, OPW, in moving public bodies is not as good as its people will claim. Every time it moves a public body, there is grief involved. The moves are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did the Comptroller and Auditor General do okay? The OPW was afraid of him.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I take the point. Everyone says that the OPW is wonderful but it is not. We have not found it to be. Whoever manages the project on the DPC's side should not believe everything he or she is told. He or she should double-check because we have found organisations indicating that they experienced a great deal of grief. That is a general comment for our guests from the Department of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The principal office will be here in Dublin and the office in Portarlington will remain in operation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Dixon's predecessor used to travel on the train.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I do not like overdoing constituency talk but this is relevant to the Vote, particularly given that the cost of accommodation was mentioned. Portarlington is a zero cost to the organisation, which is important. Is this the DPC's largest investigation to date or has it engaged in larger ones?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is there an audit of the 31 local authorities?

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