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Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: Just to let the Deputy know that we, the committee members, did not get them until today either.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: We will be working in the way Deputy Funchion outlined to shorten the debate. As we acknowledged, an awful lot of amendments have been submitted and there is no point in us doubling up on everything we say. These specific amendments speak to an issue that is at the heart of the Bill and deal with the type of information to which adopted people and their relatives are entitled. As Deputy...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: With respect to amendment No. 1, if the Minister believes it is already catered for within the existing legislation, is there any harm in including it?

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: There is no replication. Those words are not in the legislation at the moment. If the Minister is saying he thinks the contents of amendment No. 1 are already catered for under other language, what is the harm in specifying them by accepting amendment No. 1?

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: Amendment No. 321 reads, "In page 45, line 34, to delete “relevant” and substitute “all"."

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: It is important the Bill recognises the illegality surrounding the adoption and birth registrations of many people. The Bill currently focuses on incorrect registrations. This may seem an accurate term for some cases, but for many others, it is not accurate at all and, moreover, it is deeply insulting to the people considered. Without acknowledging the illegalities involved, there is an...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: This is my first time going through Committee Stage with all these amendments and these groupings. I might come in to ask questions throughout. There are many amendments in one group. I am worried that I will miss something and I might have to keep asking for clarification.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: When we are deciding on whether amendments are to be made, will the Chair go through each individually?

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: Despite that we discussed amendment No. 72, which I just spoke to, we will not be-----

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: We will not be voting on it today despite speaking on it today.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: I thank the Chair for the clarification.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: We will not get to discuss this again when we are voting on the amendments, and I will be pushing amendment No. 72 to a vote when the time comes. I completely understand what the Minister is saying, that nobody wants to limit access to the provisions by causing anyone to have to prove anything, and the Minister referenced a situation where somebody would have to prove his or her adoption was...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: Incorrect. It is incorrect to say they are just incorrect registrations. Some of them are illegal and that needs to be acknowledged. I am not saying to replace it. The amendment is to say "or illegal birth registration information". I understand the Minister's sentiment of not wanting to limit it, but the argument does not make any sense. It can include the two so that it is not limited...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: These amendments are to provide for the creation and role of an adoption advisory group to assist in the proper functioning of the Bill and of the process it is intended to facilitate. The input of those with direct experience of adoption is essential if the services set out under the Bill are to be effective. A previous Minister with responsibility for children, the late Brian Lenihan...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: The situation requires that we have as robust and as inclusive a definition as possible. We need to guarantee that all records relating to the adoption or informal care arrangement of a relevant person are understood as that person's personal data. These amendments simply provide for a fuller definition that will provide greater reassurance for adopted people and their relatives. It is...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: These amendments facilitate a broader definition, in this case for care information. We need definitions that incorporate the full range of people and actors involved in providing care. The materials that recorded aspects of that care are a vital area where we need stronger definitions to help people assemble a clear understanding of their identity and heritage.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: We had a discussion during pre-legislative scrutiny on care information. The definition was highlighted as being problematic. It is important to note this point was also raised by UN rapporteurs. We heard many compelling statements calling for a broader and more robust definition of care information. This set of amendments represents a very strong and human rights informed understanding...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: When we know there are really ingrained cultural attitudes within an institution, body or Department, it will not just be enough to have a chat with the head of the organisation in the hope it will change. We are aware that there is a considerable institutional aversion to change in such organisations. This disregards how people have been treated by them. There is a need to acknowledge...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Committee Stage (2 Mar 2022)

Holly Cairns: It is important to incorporate broader definitions of relatives in the Bill, as well as the types of genetic relative information that individuals will have access to. These amendments also provide a framework to acknowledge and include relatives who may only come to light as the process evolves. Adopted people often have to assemble disparate pieces of information, which leads to more...

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