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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Therefore, to clarify my point, 1.6%-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Sixteen cent does not go back into the community. Because that is unclaimed, it goes back into the lottery's account, so the amount that is available to the operator is not actually €1 but €1.16.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is clear, but it also does not go back into the community, even by the very broad definition the lottery has ascribed as going back into the community because it does not go in actual prize money, it does not go to good causes and it does not go to retailers. It goes to a separate account. Even if we were to take Mr. Algeo's basis that all these things are money going back into the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: The lottery's advertising does not say 90% of the money is allocated to go back into the community. It says 90% goes back into the community and then, after the wee asterisk at the bottom, it states briefly that it includes prizes blah, blah, blah, but it is actually not the case that the full 90% goes back even, as I said, to that because it does not go to prizes. It is actually unclaimed....

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is just a yes-no question. For absolute certainty, Mr. Algeo accepts that the 90% includes unclaimed prizes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Including those that are subsequently unclaimed. It is just a yes-no question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: The overall figure of 90% includes money that is not actually subsequently spent on unclaimed prizes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Okay, so what I have said is accurate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: That includes money-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am interested to hear Mr. Algeo say that the ASAI contacted the lottery after our engagement with-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Did it contact the Committee of Public Accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is it not strange that an advertising standards authority would contact somebody who was not present at the Committee of Public Accounts but not contact the committee? It would be useful if we were to seek clarification and a copy of that correspondence and also if we were to inform the Advertising Standards Authority of Ireland, in case it is not aware, that the 90% includes unclaimed...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I was in the car and was following the proceedings earlier. I will go back to my €10 analogy. I am the eldest in my family and when I was young it could happen that an aunt or an uncle would give me a tenner and tell me to make sure to get something for my little brother. I used to have a system whereby I would give him a euro and, therefore, I had lived up to the condition of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: It would have been pounds back in the day.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: If you got a tenner in sterling, it was a good day.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: In fairness, the lottery is taking the piss in what it is giving towards top-up prizes. It is going to the absolutely bare minimum. Is that not fair to say?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am not saying the lottery does not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 19 - Exchequer receipts from National Lottery ticket sales
(8 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: There are two ways the lottery can spend the money. As a matter of interest, would there be anything stopping the company if it decided to allocate a portion of that money towards good causes? Is it so rigid that it has to be spent on top-up prizes or marketing, or is there a flexibility such that if it decided that it would apportion some of that towards good causes, it could do so?

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