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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Those at the top of the Civil Service just need to remind themselves that in the way of elections the legal local authority is those who make up the chamber. That is where the buck stops. There is an elected tier there that is in charge of policy but they are being kept completely in the dark. The Deputy may also see it in Kildare where funding is going down on a regular basis. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Dr. Byrne also clarify a point on the better energy and warmer homes schemes. Replacing single-glazed windows was not in the scheme until one or two years ago. The SEAI then did a pilot that was very successful, mainly in south Dublin. Is this now available throughout the State where there are single-glazed windows.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: But in answer to the question-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Dr. Byrne said, "Where it is appropriate". I am asking the question. If the surveyor goes to a house that needs work done to it and in which a pensioner or a person who has serious health issues is living, will those windows be changed to double-glazed windows? Will they be at least double glazed?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are examples where the heat is still flying out through the windows and doors whatever works have been done. These are older, single-glazed windows like the ones in Deputy Burke's office letting the heat out of Leinster House. We see windows with cracked glass.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there a policy of changing single-glazed windows to double-glazed windows? That is what I am trying to drive at.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: In other words, does the SEAI leave single-glazed windows in place when it walks away from a home? That is the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am trying to pin Dr. Byrne down on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Single glazing is single glazing, right?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: One pane of glass has the same heat retention value whether it is in Mr. Walsh's house or my house. What I am trying to get to is this: are we still dealing with situations where the SEAI will allow work to be done on a house and it may be left with single-glazed windows in it after that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will not, thanks.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It took me a while to get to that. That is what I wanted to clarify.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I can see the improvements, but I was trying to clarify the actual position now. In other words, if the SEAI is doing attic insulation in a home that has single-glazed windows, would it be left with single-glazed windows? I think the SEAI has clarified the matter. The Accounting Officer has done it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I acknowledge that. It certainly makes a huge difference in terms of heat retention, fuel costs and other costs, and emissions.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely. Neighbourhood health improves where there are fewer fumes in the estate. It puts more money in people's pockets. As for the schemes overall, has the focus shifted to increasing the energy rating of existing B and C homes to A or B2? Have we moved away from bringing the Fs and the Gs up one or two steps? I am asking about those in really low energy-rated households, who...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: How many of those homes are still out there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, what is the starting point?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Roughly 75,000 out of 140,000 shallow retrofits, as they have been described, have been done across social housing, along with 3,321 deep retrofits. Is that correct? What kind of engagement is there with approved housing bodies, AHBs? As they do not have a purchase scheme, they tend to own the whole estate so they are an easy audience. It is easier to capture them. What is being done...

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