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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: If there is any time to spare at the end, the Deputy can come in. However, Deputy Lawless is also here and I think Deputy Browne has one minute of his time left.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Deputy Colm Burke. I call Deputy Patricia Ryan.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I wish to ask a couple of questions before allowing Deputies Lawless and Durkan to come back in because their colleagues left them a minute each. My first question is for Dr. McGuinness. Given the preponderance of outbreaks in meat plants internationally as well as in Ireland, why has the HSA not inspected every meat plant in the country?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: The HSA has not inspected every meat plant. It has issued no improvement notices and no prohibition notices. Notwithstanding that, it has refused to provide the inspection reports to journalists by way of freedom of information. Why?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: If there is no improvement notice or prohibition notice, is Dr. McGuinness stating that a case will not go to a criminal enforcement stage?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: The HSA has not given out any improvement or prohibition notices.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Similar reports in respect of inspections of nursing homes are made public, but Dr. McGuinness does not believe the HSA should have to do the same in respect of meat plants.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: What percentage of the Department's TVIs are over 65 or 70 years of age?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: What percentage of them are former employees of the Department?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Does the cut in funding for local authority veterinary services make it more difficult to operate small abattoirs and essentially drive all business through the larger meat plants, such as are represented by Meat Industry Ireland?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Does cutting funding for local authority veterinary services and positions not inevitably drive all animal slaughtering through the larger abattoirs?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Mr. Sheahan. When did Meat Industry Ireland meet SIPTU?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Meat Industry Ireland appeared before the committee on 10 July and agreed to meet SIPTU. It was only after the outbreak and three counties were locked down that it met SIPTU. Is that correct?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Mr. Healy.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: At our previous meeting, I asked what percentage of Meat Industry Ireland's members paid sick pay, but it was not able to provide that information then. Are the witnesses able to provide it now?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Mr. Healy. In response to Deputy Cairns's comments on shutting down meet plants, Mr. Carroll asked "is that where we want to be in our economy" and whether we should shut down after "five, six, or seven or so positive cases". I must put it to him that, the day after it was announced that we would not move to phase 4, the acting Chief Medical Officer cited 12 cases of infection in...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: I thank Mr. Carroll. I ask Deputy Lawless to confine himself to a minute. Deputy Durkan, if he is coming back in, will get 30 seconds but no more.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Will Dr. McGuinness provide specifics in writing to Deputy Durkan?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid-19: The Situation in Meat Processing Plants (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: Thank you, Deputy Cronin, but we are out of time. I thank the witnesses from the Health and Safety Authority, Meat Industry Ireland, Food Drink Ireland and the Department of Agriculture and the Marine.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Covid 19: Implications of a Zero-Covid Island Policy (13 Aug 2020)

Michael McNamara: We are back in public session. I welcome our witnesses who are physically present in Leinster House, albeit in committee room 2. They are: Professor Anthony Staines from the school of nursing, psychotherapy and community health at Dublin City University, DCU; and Professor Patricia Kearney, professor of epidemiology at the school of public health in University College Cork, UCC. Joining us...

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