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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Ms Dixon for her opening statement. She is very welcome on her first appearance before the Committee of Public Accounts. The lead speaker is Deputy Cullinane, who has 20 minutes, followed by Deputy Kelly, who has 15 minutes. The remaining speakers have ten minutes each in the following sequence: Deputies Catherine Murphy, Munster, Connolly, and MacSharry. They are the ones who...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is agreed to by the committee. We will write to the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection seeking an up-to-date report and the current figures, not only those until the end of last year, for which appropriation accounts will be published next week. We will state we had covered the matter in a recent periodic report with the Department last year. The cost was...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. We will log the issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Dixon can give her best estimate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's time is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will hear a brief response.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will return to it again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. Will the commission provide us with a note?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Ms Dixon to ensure that information comes through the Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: If any other member wishes to speak, I will allow him or her to do so presently. I have a few questions for the delegates, whom I thank for their presentation. First, however, I wish to clarify a matter for the public record. We are often accused of being a little mischievous in who we call in, the idea being that we want to get headlines in the newspapers. That is not the case. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: In a sense, therefore, there is no great incentive for the commission to collect fines if they are adjudicated in the courts. It is really a loss to the Exchequer rather than to Ms Dixon's office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I mentioned earlier that I submitted a question some months ago to all Ministers about agencies under their remit with authority to take court prosecutions. In his reply on 2 April 2019, the Minister for Justice and Equality indicated that in 2014, the Data Protection Commission prosecuted fines through the courts totalling €25,000, all of which was collected. In 2015, just one...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Members will note that a division has been called in the Dáil. All members who offered have spoken.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will facilitate the Deputy, although she might miss the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Members may take it that I will conclude the meeting and they need not return after the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a few more questions. One of the commission's main findings related to information being held for longer than was necessary. People lose cards all the time. Surely if the information is in the system for a year, two years or three years, it makes it easy for a card to be reprinted? There is a value there for the body holding the information. Does Ms Dixon understand the point I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Ms Dixon explain what SAFE 2 is for the benefit of listeners? Although many people have a public services card, others, including myself, have not had a requirement to obtain one. Perhaps I will do so when I renew my driver's licence. Will Ms Dixon explain the process for those who have not applied for a card? It is not her job to do so, but it would be helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The proof of address requirement is getting more difficult to meet. I meet people every day in my office who are in rented accommodation and have pay-as-you-go ESB meters and telephones. They do not have utility bills.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is not an issue with the photograph, name, PPS number, date of birth, address or whatever. Ms Dixon is stating that there is no great need for the additional, supporting documentation to be retained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: On the issue of photographs, approximately 3 million cards have been issued. From a data protection point of view, how satisfied is Ms Dixon that there can be no cyberbreach or cyberattack by people who should not have access to the photographs?

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