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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: First of all-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me make this point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is plain to me that there was a huge scramble around here after some of this information came into the public domain. Was a "stop works" order issued to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Was a "stop works" notice issued two weeks ago to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I cannot be any clearer in my question. Was an order given? I know Mr. Tierney does not want to answer the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me make the case. Is it not the case that a "stop works" order was issued to the main contractor in respect of the 11 operating theatres two weeks ago?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am not asking about that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Has an order issued regarding the main contractor, the electrical contractor and the mechanical contractor to go into workshops to discuss how to deal with this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: To clarify, Mr. Tierney is stating on the record that a "stop works" notice was never issued to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Why has the board issued an order to the main contractor, the electrical contractor and the mechanical contractor to come together in workshops to look at the issues relating to the ventilation of the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is it not the case that an order was also issued to the main contractor to carry out ventilation tests in March of this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is the case. The problem here is that the experts said in May that this was going to fail because the vents were in the wrong place. The board allowed building to continue and now all the electrical and mechanical stuff and all the oxygen equipment is in there. It runs right through the centre of these operating theatres where the vents are supposed to be. The rooms are complete. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones? Let us start with one, because I am not accepting the Minister's statement that I am putting false information on the record here. Start with one and we will go through them, because it is too easy for the Minister to give glib answers like that when this issue is so serious.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, he has not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He has not. I am not accepting that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, if Mr. Tierney wants to say I am saying something that is untrue, I am happy for us to have that conversation but that is not what I heard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He did not say that it was not given; he said he is not aware. Those are two separate statements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Tierney did not contradict me and did not say I was wrong. He said he is not aware of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is €1.3 billion. Come on. Is this a bit of variation?

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