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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Future of An Post Network: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Can the union representatives explain the cliff edge in June?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I was here for Mr. Owens's opening statement. I also read it. I did not hear the contributions others have made because we were voting in the Seanad. I recognise some of the content of the speech because some it was the same as the speech Ray Coyne made two weeks ago. It also referenced 24-hour bus lanes, the Covid pandemic and other things. This meeting is as much about Mr. Owens as it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: With who did Mr. Owens work?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: What is the process of becoming a chair? I am not familiar with Signium.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is that to stateboards.ieor one of these public appointment systems?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Owens expressed an interest in looking for the position of chairperson for Dublin Bus. Was it advertised?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Owen put his name forward with the help of Signium or whoever else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: He went through the process and here we are. It is useful for us to understand the process. I am not taking away from his statement, but when he said he was honoured to have been asked by the Minister, it sounded as if the Minister picked up the phone and called Mr. Owens. I do not think that of the Minister, Deputy Ryan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I know Mr. Owens did not mean anything. It is useful for us know about the transparent process. There was, I presume, a field of other people who also wanted the job, Mr. Owens emerged as the successful candidate we are being asked to talk to, and here we are. I will touch on the FAI. The previous Minister with responsibility for transport also had responsibility for sport. Mr. Owens...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Owens did not go for the CEO position.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I remember it was a turbulent time. Covid had just hit and everything was going on. Lest anyone accuses me of not declaring an interest, my father was a delegate to the FAI in 1990 or thereabouts, which is neither today nor yesterday, but I wanted to say that in case anyone accuses me of not mentioning it. Mr. Owens has good experience as a member of boards, audit committees, risk...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is Mr. Owens involved with Leaseplan Insurance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is it predominantly car leasing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is Mr. Owens still involved with Leaseplan?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Owens is now poacher and gamekeeper. He is trying to get people to lease cars with one hand and, on the other hand, he is trying to get people out of their cars and onto public transport.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: What about his experience with Leaseplan will Mr. Owens be able to bring to Dublin Bus?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I am not very familiar with Leaseplan. The impression I had was that it was longer term leasing and the likes of the banks would have taken a fleet of cars and given them to certain executives and Leaseplan would have facilitated that. In fact, cars can be hired by the day or the hour.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I am familiar with Leaseplan and know it is very successful. I did not know it does short-time rental.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The point to be made generally is that, once I have bought a car, insured it, got its national car test and taxed it, I have already outlayed X amount of thousands of euro. The mentality now is to ask whether a car can be justified. Someone who does not have all those outlays and pays by journey may decide to cycle or get the bus. If I want to hire a car from Leaseplan for a couple of days...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Átha Cliath: Chairman Designate (18 May 2022)

Gerry Horkan: In the same way I could with other car rental companies.

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