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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Have the 2018 accounts for the paediatric hospital board been completed yet?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps Mr. McCarthy could find out during the course of the morning. I propose that its most recent audited accounts come back before us. We will put it in our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Great. I saw that a new chief officer was appointed to the board in recent weeks. It was not a chief executive officer but a chief officer. We would like to get all the costs that are out there and that have not been made clear to us to date. We will move onto category A documents, briefing documents and opening statements for today's meeting. Correspondence No. 2390 A, dated 20...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: They have given the breakdown by region. They should have it by county so we will ask. There is a phenomenal amount of double counting here. They say they have assisted companies supported by SBCI projects amounting to 148,000 people. There were probably 148,000 people there before they gave them a loan or grant. If IDA Ireland approves 200 jobs in a place where there are already 2,000...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely. I am really just saying these are the total employment figures for companies that had some contact with and support from SBCI, not necessarily the figures for jobs initiated or supported by SBCI. The figure is just for total employment in the areas in question. We will seek the information on a county-by-county basis.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a problem publishing this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are two other issues. We got the organisation's financial statements in the Oireachtas. It did not do very much. It had a very limited number of transactions and a very limited number of loans to a very limited number of organisations. There were a couple of big transactions. When we asked about the employee numbers, it was said to us that employee data are gathered in two ways,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is not their job.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will hold over this correspondence for now. We are not publishing it for now. We will put SBCI on our work programme and then decide how to deal with the correspondence and its accounts. Its accounts are in. I saw them over the summer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will put it on our work programme. We will hold this over as part of that. We will not publish it for now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It used the established terms, such as SME.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I accept that but I respectfully disagree. The first letter refers to the letter we wrote seeking information on the number of jobs supported by SBCI. The number of jobs the loans supported is exactly what I wanted. SBCI gave us the total number of employees in the organisations in which particular projects were supported. In fact, it specifically did not answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Supported by it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It did not. Its heading refers to the breakdown of employment-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a breakdown on employment supported. However, the support for some of the companies-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. It is just giving us the employment numbers in the organisations it has had dealings with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: They seemed very vague on how they do it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will have the letter we wrote to the organisation circulated. We did ask for the jobs it supported, not the number in the companies. We were given an answer. It is illuminating to read SBCI's opening sentence. I was quite specific in what I was looking for when we sent the letter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a useful discussion. We will not note or publish the information at this point. We will hold it over and include the organisation on our work programme. We will come back to the correspondence at that stage. The next item of correspondence is No. 2343B, from the Department of Children and Youth Affairs, providing information requested by the committee on the number of active...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is.

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