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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Was any informal recommendation made by the board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Tierney is able to tell me that no formal recommendation was made by the board but he is unwilling to tell me whether there was an informal recommendation about an overall settlement figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Does the Minister accept that in May of last year STS, which was appointed by CHI, identified what it says is a major generic fault in the design of the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: We will come to that in a minute. The reason no decision has been made is because the board does not know what to do. We will come to that in a second. The Minister mentioned architects. STS consultants are employed by CHI. They are more than architects. They are experts in commissioning and are independent of the contractor. Is that not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: That is where the problem is, is it not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me stop Mr. Tierney there. He has acknowledged that they are experts in one area, airflow and ventilation, which probably shows where their expertise is. He said that no one is suggesting there is a problem. STS consultants suggest there is a problem. They told CHI there is a problem. These are not snag lists, but rather major generic faults that are indicative of the non-compliance...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: First of all-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me make this point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is plain to me that there was a huge scramble around here after some of this information came into the public domain. Was a "stop works" order issued to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Was a "stop works" notice issued two weeks ago to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I cannot be any clearer in my question. Was an order given? I know Mr. Tierney does not want to answer the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me make the case. Is it not the case that a "stop works" order was issued to the main contractor in respect of the 11 operating theatres two weeks ago?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am not asking about that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Has an order issued regarding the main contractor, the electrical contractor and the mechanical contractor to go into workshops to discuss how to deal with this issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: To clarify, Mr. Tierney is stating on the record that a "stop works" notice was never issued to the main contractor regarding the 11 operating theatres.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Why has the board issued an order to the main contractor, the electrical contractor and the mechanical contractor to come together in workshops to look at the issues relating to the ventilation of the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is it not the case that an order was also issued to the main contractor to carry out ventilation tests in March of this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is the case. The problem here is that the experts said in May that this was going to fail because the vents were in the wrong place. The board allowed building to continue and now all the electrical and mechanical stuff and all the oxygen equipment is in there. It runs right through the centre of these operating theatres where the vents are supposed to be. The rooms are complete. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones? Let us start with one, because I am not accepting the Minister's statement that I am putting false information on the record here. Start with one and we will go through them, because it is too easy for the Minister to give glib answers like that when this issue is so serious.

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