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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am pleased Ms Graham had that document to hand. That is a good sign. Some organisations have not had a risk register in two or three years when they have come before the committee. First, I am pleased the NTA has one and, second, I am very pleased Ms Graham had it to hand, which is a first. I am looking at page 122 of the NTA's financial statement. It shows a spend of €6.6...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: For how many years has the NTA been in this position?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When did the NTA go beyond-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Let us take the position at the year end. The NTA probably has the figures-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----for staff numbers at the end of December or the end of its financial year. I ask the witnesses to go back a few years and show us the figures for the NTA's own staff versus the outsourced staff, the year in which the balance went, and the authority's projection to get it back-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----to where it should be.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA has the details.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We ask the witnesses to send them to us because I would have thought that, while it might not be as big a risk as a cyberattack, this is still a risk.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would expect the NTA to have this on its risk register.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it affects continuity of staff, it affects continuity of service and so on. The next item I want to ask about is small but very significant, namely, Taxsaver ticketing. I know how the scheme works but I want to know how it works from the NTA's point of view? How many Taxsaver tickets are there? Does the NTA get the gross cost of the ticket or the net cost minus the tax?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that revenue from the Taxsaver product?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Must a ticket be annual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do they all come back through the NTA for that purpose, even those of the private operators?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: At what rate of tax is the deduction?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: So it can be 40%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Let us say an annual ticket happens to cost €2,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gaston has answered the question. I was concerned that the NTA was getting only the net amount.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA gets the full gross amount, to the value-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----and they get the tax back, between them and the Revenue Commissioners.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA is not involved and does not know whether a rate of 20% or 40% is applied. That has nothing to do with the NTA.

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