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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: No, I mean somebody outside of the medical staff within the hospital, such as somebody from the board or somebody else who worked within the hospital structure. Would clinicians ever consult or take their opinion into account?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: How would Dr. Walshe react if Ms Reynolds, for example, who is a board member, expressed her opinion about the way patients in general or a certain patient should be treated?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I only used that name as an example.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Perhaps Mr. O'Raghallaigh could outline the limitations placed by charity law on the disposal of the freehold for this site.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Perhaps Mr. O'Raghallaigh could reiterate the impact that would be on the leaseholder if the freehold was sold.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I think it would be fair to let Mr. McGarr finish the points he was trying to make.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: I thank our guests for coming here at such short notice. We appreciate their contributions. Following on from what Deputy Colm Burke was saying about good marketable title, could Mr. McGarr explain to the committee his interpretation of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: In general.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: What constitutes good marketable title is a freehold or leasehold property with an unexpired term of at least 70 years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: That is fine. I just wanted that clarification. I want to move on to the CPO process. My colleague mentioned that there was a possibility that this would not be open to the CPO process. Could Mr. McGarr explain what should be done with the site now if he is not in favour of the Government going ahead with the leasehold?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: How would that certainty be achieved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would that satisfy Mr. McGarr?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Mr. McGarr would be happy with the leasehold arrangement if the phrase were removed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Is the only practical difference between having the freehold and leasehold that phrase within the documentation? If it were removed, it would be the equivalent of having a freehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Would Mr. McGarr accept that the delivery of good services is covered in the licence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Ultimately, however, Mr. McGarr is saying he is not opposed to the leasehold-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: There is a quid pro quo. It is giving the building currently at Holles Street, which is on a very valuable site in Dublin city centre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Lorraine Clifford-Lee: Yes, but to suggest the State is not getting something out of this as well-----

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