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Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It does, because we are talking about what happens to a child if he or she is disabled or does not possess certain characteristics. I am asking for assistance about what the Bill proposes. If the Minister prefers to give it to me at a later point, that is fine. If he wants to specify that point, that is fine. It is a reasonable question and it deserves a reasonable answer.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Does that mean that there is and can be no input from the intending parents who are engaging in a surrogacy agreement into any decision about whether a child who in utero has a disability lives or dies?

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Is there a legal prohibition on there being any stipulation or any change in the agreement around moneys to be paid or conditions in the surrogacy agreement? Even if it is entirely the surrogate's decision in respect of the continuation of a pregnancy, is it the provision of the Bill that that decision will not and cannot interfere with any of the provisions of the surrogacy agreement and...

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: If there are provisions in the surrogacy agreement, presumably it provides for the payment of reasonable expenses and so on. Are there other elements of the surrogacy agreement that might depend on whether the surrogate has the child or not? Could there be elements of the agreement that would depend on whether the surrogate has a child or not? I am trying to establish whether anything...

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 6: In page 43, between lines 18 and 19, to insert the following: “(2) Any potential or relevant donor shall be required to sign a declaration demonstrating they understand the risks and effects of their decision. This shall include a legally binding commitment to care for a child in the event they are disabled or don’t possess certain characteristics....

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is about time.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I would also like a bit of clarity on the latter point. I heard what Senator Sherlock said last week and I heard the Minister’s response. I did actually wonder why he used the word “unethical”. I wondered if there were some facts at the Minister’s disposal that he was not sharing with us. I could understand why the Minister might say the letter from these...

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: In a way, it is ironic because I suspect that I would regard some of the procedures they are involved in as unethical. Nonetheless, I defend their right to not be accused of being unethical if they communicate certain beliefs about the state of things that they believe these to be true in good faith. I can only conclude, if Senator Sherlock and I are speaking about the same letter, that the...

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will add a few words. I thank the Cathaoirleach and welcome him back. I want to emphasise my support for what Senator Keogan said. I again stress that I am concerned that these provisions are happening at all and that we are providing for them at all. Regarding domestic surrogacy, if there were to be no commercial nexus it would at least be easier to try to ensure that. It is debatable...

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I notice that these amendments are grouped and I am not entirely happy with that. Can I ask for clarification?

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I would like to be able to speak to some of these amendments more sequentially.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I understand that.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Yes, it is just that I do not necessarily want to discuss them in that order. That is what I am saying.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: My difficulty is that I might rather speak to some of the amendments at the point where I move them.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: No, I understand that. I am just saying that I will have to go through them in a different way.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will do my best.

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am not crying "foul".

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Do not contradict me before I make an assertion. I am just saying that. When were the groupings agreed, by the way? Was it on the Order of Business?

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Would they have been agreed on the Order of Business?

Seanad: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (20 Jun 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I probably did not hear that. I should have squawked at that point and perhaps I would have got a hearing.

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