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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Nobody at all? I will move on to the settlement to the former CEO, which is quite important and was brought up here previously. I appreciate that Ms Hardiman is in the room and that is important to point out. What is Ms Hardiman's job? What is she doing right now?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Was this role specifically created just for Ms Hardiman?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: When did the board determine this?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Ms Hardiman was offered the role in April 2024 and she had stepped down as CEO in October 2023. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Ms Hardiman took on her new role in April 2024. What is her understanding of when the board decided this role was needed? Was it discussed while Ms Hardiman was CEO?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: But was this role identified?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: On the role itself, does Ms Hardiman find it difficult to be still on the senior management team, considering the number of scandals that happened while she was CEO?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: I do not doubt that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: How did CHI pay for the legal costs that were incurred?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Does Mr. Fitzpatrick know?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Does Mr. Fitzpatrick know how much that was?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: What was it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: That was €123,000 to the taxpayer.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: CHI did not bear the cost. Sorry, will Mr. Fitzpatrick repeat who bore the cost?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Interesting. The issue of confidence in CHI comes up quite regularly. It came up the last time the witnesses appeared before this committee. After that health committee meeting the witnesses attended, I was not satisfied that there was a change in the culture of CHI. Will Ms Nugent give one or two examples of how the culture has changed in CHI, since she took over?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Very good. That is a couple of them. Well done. The issue of out-of-date claims to insurers was brought up previously as well. There was €250,000 worth of out-of-date claims in 2023 and €183,686 in 2022. What was the figure for 2024?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: The amount was €200,000. So, €250,000 plus €200,00 equals €450,000, plus approximately €183,000, in three years.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Where does the accountability lie here?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: What is the required timeframe?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Eoghan Kenny: Whose desk does this lie on now, in terms of accountability?

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