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Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate: Mental Health Services (28 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: I rise to speak about the Loreto Centre Crumlin in Dublin 12. It is a trusted and vital mental health and community support service that has been serving families, individuals and young people in Crumlin and Dublin South-Central more widely for more than 25 Years. The Loreto Centre Crumlin was founded by the Loreto order of nuns and has grown over the decades into a cornerstone of the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: I thank all the witnesses for attending. I understand there is an invitation. I have actually been to the site of the hospital, although I have not been inside. It is a huge building and will be a landmark building that I hope will be there for our children and the children to come. The constant change in delivery dates - 15 times at this stage - does not fill me with huge confidence....

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: I do not mean to cut in but the witness is eating into my time, unfortunately.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: I thank Ms Nugent. We know that there are 81 grade 8 staff in CHI. I presume Ms Nugent is a grade 8 staff member.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Is Ms Nugent grade 9?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Is that grade 10?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: There are 81 grade 8 or above staff.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: From CHI's report, I can see that there are 81 grade 8 or above staff at the hospital. When grade 8 was established across the HSE in 2005, there were only eight grade 8 staff in total. It seems like there is a huge amount of staff now. Will Ms Nugent confirm whether the former CEO is at the same grade as herself?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: On her retaining her salary at CHI, she had been on two fixed-term contracts. We know that she was then, subsequent to mediation, offered a fixed-term contract. Is that what she is on now?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Is the former CEO on a fixed-term contract?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Regardless of what contract she has been offered, she is probably on what we call a contract of indefinite duration, so she is now a permanent employee of the hospital. Did the Department of Health know she was going to be staying on in this new role?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: I presume that, as part of the mediation agreement, CHI had its own lawyers and was aware it was retaining her in what would turn into a full-time contract of indefinite duration with all the ancillary benefits that go with that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Does the Department of Health wish to comment?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: The Department of Health was kept abreast during the whole process of the mediation agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Regarding litigation claims, we know the contractor has made claims of up to €853 million in costs. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Apologies. The board has potential claims against BAM for €31.5 million under the terms of contract. I believe Mr. Gunning gave that information.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: They are the liquidated damages that the board might possibly reclaim. There are also PC sums that must be worked out and other ancillary claims that are perhaps available. I am a TD for Dublin South-Central. The hospital is in the heart of the constituency. There are many houses around the perimeter of the hospital that have had different claims, perhaps against the board of CHI,...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Sorry. I meant to refer to Mr. Gunning.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Ardagh: Are those amounts already accounted for?

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