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Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: The last person standing gets caught for everything.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: I presume that on every major project, the witnesses go in and have an extensive preplanning meeting.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Is that not the place to suss out some of this stuff?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: I know that, after that process, it is handed over like a judge making a decision. It is very impersonal after the planning application is lodged.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: That is quite a quote.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: I know.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: It is just so simple.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Murnane has just insulted the Cathaoirleach and Leas-Chathaoirleach all in one go, but we are thick-skinned in here and will get over that.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Clendennen, have you finished?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Are there any final questions for our guests before we conclude?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the Deputy indicated she might come in a second time.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Would that involve exempted developments? Would part of it be that they are exempt to start with and there is no planning process once a public body-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: It is exempted.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: The clerk can email and get a formal reply back within a fortnight. If the Deputy wants to contact the clerk with some follow-up queries, the clerk will email them directly.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: While the Deputy is thinking-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: As I see it, there are three stages to big projects on the ground now. There is the planning application stage, An Coimisiún Pleanála and then the courts, and next maybe Europe. On all big projects that are in any way contentious, we can be guaranteed that that is the way it will go. That is a personal observation.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: Does anyone have any further questions?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: I want to ask a question about an issue that was mentioned in passing. Modular units are being built as school extensions all over the country and they are quick to build. What is the typical guaranteed lifespan of a modular unit?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: In other words, a school building that has been there for 50 years which was built solidly will be there in 30 years' time when an extension built today will have passed its sell-buy date. Is this generation, in order to get space done, short-changing the next generation? I ask because we still have generations later the schools that were built decades ago. However, these modular units are...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Seán Fleming: At this stage we will conclude the meeting. I thank the representatives of the three organisations - the Irish Academy of Engineering, the Association of Consulting Engineers of Ireland and Engineers Ireland - for their support, assistance and information today. I ask them to please forward information they have on any issue that was mentioned to the committee within the next two weeks. Is...

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