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Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I am leaving this House in protest at the Leas-Cathaoirleach's failure to condemn the situation-----

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: -----and the inaccurate remarks he put on the House.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: Senator Bacik is leaving as well.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: That is complete nonsense.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: The operative word in the ruling is "could". The trade union representatives could make a compact that they will not accept any remuneration.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: The Chair's ruling reinforces the case I have made that preventing Senators from introducing amendments on the basis that they involve a charge on the Exchequer is a complete nonsense.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 19:In page 28, line 2, to delete “at least honours bachelor degree level”.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: This amendment is to ensure that it is actually proper research. It also clears up what I view as a grammatical infelicity, that is, "leads to an award to". It should read "leads to an award of". This is a simple grammatical issue and it will be interesting to see whether the Minister of State responds to it. I can claim some expertise in the area of grammar. Actually, I believe I am...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: Okay. In the interests of-----

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: -----brevity and the train timetable to Killarney, I will await the Minister of State's reply. If I see fit, I will respond.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: What is level 10?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I thank the Minister of State for that clarification.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: It is appropriate, as the Minister of State says, that when dealing with technological subjects a significant proportion of the staff should have PhDs and some professional qualifications and experience in the wider world. As far as universities go, however, I can only speak from my own experience 50 years ago, when Trinity College was a very different place and when by far the best teacher...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 20:In page 28, line 3, after "a" to insert "research".

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: If we do not include the word "research", it makes a nonsense of the whole thing. That is one sentence. That is all I am going to say.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I will confine myself to saying it is significant that the Minister of State, in speaking about these programmes, used the word "research". There should be research programmes. It is quite within a third level institution to have research students working on a programme that is not research. For that reason I will push the amendment. There was much persiflage in what the Minister of State...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: That is not research.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: One could say that about an essay. The Minister of State is doing down research.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 21:In page 28, line 4, to delete “to” where it secondly occurs and substitute “of”.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (8 Mar 2018)

David Norris: Has the Minister indicated whether she will accept my amendment?

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