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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. To go back to the lack of any kind of documentation in regard to the Turf Club; is there nothing at all? Was there a cheque written? How did transaction happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is it that there is not any paperwork?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is a transaction without an explanation.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We expect to see a regulator being very independent. In fact, there are accounts that most of us on the Committee of Public Accounts would pay particular attention to. We would not expect the Revenue Commissioners, for example, not to have a clear audit opinion. Regulatory bodies would very much fall into the same category, because they are the ones that are setting the standards for the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. Conroy not think it would be better if they were not nominated by the two entities?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is required, but should it be dominant?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What is the Department's view on the additional contribution that was made by the Turf Club and how was it communicated?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Was the Minister made aware of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What was the Minister's reaction?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What was the nature of the concerns that were expressed?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What about the contribution from the Turf Club? Was there any reference to the inappropriateness of it coming via that source?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That concludes the business of this session. I thank the witnesses and the staff of the Irish Horse Racing Regulatory Board, Horse Racing Ireland and the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine for their work in preparing for today's meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for attending and assisting the committee today. Is it agreed that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I did not think there would be any questions left but clearly there are. I wish to address my first questions to Ms Geraldine O’Leary. I picked up on what she said yesterday about the invoice. She stated: I am not normally somebody who raises invoices. That is not part of what I do. This was an unusual situation where I was asked by the director... That is directly what she...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I do not want a big, long response.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am asking about last year. Did she know there was a problem, when people internally raised this with her, with this invoice?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I am talking about last year. Was this raised with her last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: So Ms O'Leary is saying, categorically, that nothing was raised with her last year in relation to this invoice. She is absolutely categoric about that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What did she tell her staff to do when they asked her what the consultancy services were for?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I have worked in offices over the years. When one is asked to raise an invoice, one will put on the invoice what it is for so that the person on the other side will know what he or she is paying for. Ms O'Leary is raising an invoice for consultancy fees and this goes to the heart of "an act designed to deceive" that we talked about earlier. We have an invoice that Ms O'Leary is raising....

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