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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: On the C and AG's chapter, surpluses have been accumulating each year on the fund. A graph shows huge gaps between the forecast surplus and the actual surplus, and the actual income and actual expenditure, last year. It can be seen that not just the amount but the percentage gap is increasing massively. In that context and that of the conversation we just had regarding training for people...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand we have to accept there will always be people who are between jobs, probably at the level of 3%. I am saying that, within those figures, there are people who are long- or medium-term unemployed. The training element in the community employment schemes, in particular, is minimal enough, yet there is this huge reduction in the amount of money spent on training within those...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could we have a note on apprenticeships are regards the initiatives? What initiatives are now happening? What progress has been made on them in the past 12 months in using the public sector? What efforts are being made to convince or reach employers to get them to take on apprenticeships? As regards the public sector, could the area of semi-State companies be included in that note? Have...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What about the University of Dublin's €10 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is serious.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: In the case of Limerick, there is an accumulation each year of €3 million or €4 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What conditions, relating to governance and similar issues, will the Department put on those institutions to get increased funding?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Dr. O'Reardon come back to us with a note on accommodation in the next week or fortnight?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is important. We cannot overemphasise the importance of that for families and students. It would also take the pressure off the so-called housing market in the areas around some of those third level institutions. There is a big crisis around those areas. It is pressure on top of pressure. Before we close, does Dr. O'Reardon have the report on precarious employment in third level?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Would Dr. O'Reardon accept that nearly 40% of lecturers are on temporary, part-time, precarious contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We get a lot of complaints about it. I am confident that people in Carlow-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: On collecting the data, we have a certain number of third level institutions. Whoever is working in the payroll section or is in charge of HR will know quickly enough how many full-timers they have, how many part-timers, and how many are on short-term contracts for maybe a year or two. Would Dr. O'Reardon agree that people are not going to be kept in the sector if they have 11 hours a week...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The unions have been pushing it, including the Teachers Union of Ireland. They would have some information on it. I would ask that they be consulted as part of this. It is important that the representative bodies are asked. Unfortunately, many of the people who are most severely affected by this are not actually union members, because the nature of their employment is so precarious. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The public business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes; accounts and financial statements; correspondence; work programme; and any other business. The minutes of our meeting of 16 November 2023 have been circulated to members. Do any members wish to raise any matters? Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published on the committee's web page. Moving on...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The material level of non-compliance procurement at UCD was in the region €4 million in total.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What did it relate to?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I suggest that we-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do any members wish to comment? No. I propose that we write to UCD regarding the non-compliant procurement and ask for details of what it pertains to. Is that agreed? Agreed. Can we agree accounts and financial statements? Agreed. As usual, we will publish the listing of accounts and financial statements as part of our minutes. Moving on to correspondence, as previously agreed,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We can include it for this day two weeks. Is that agreed? Agreed. That concludes our consideration of the work programme for today. Do any members wish to raise any matter in public session under any other business? I take it everyone is okay. We will go into private session briefly before adjourning until 9.30 a.m. next Thursday, 30 November, when we will engage with the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will now resume in public session to discuss one more matter. Deputy O'Connor has raised an issue with the committee and we have discussed it privately. You can address it now in public Deputy.

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