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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Could it be thousands of euro?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Would Meta say it would not be feasible for a financial institution to report to Meta and, four weeks later, for a fraudulent scam to still be on its site, which is sponsored and from which Meta receives money?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: These fraudsters are really sophisticated. I gave the statistics earlier from Britain, where 61% of all British payment frauds originated from Meta sites. There are advertisements on Meta's social media platforms from Elon Musk and Tesla, stating how people can just click a link and make €250,000 in the next couple of months. It does not take a wizard to figure out that that is a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: We will never be able to adjudicate on that because Meta does not know how much it gets from the fraudulent ads. Is that not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Or Mr. Ó Broin's company does not have the figure. The purpose of this session is not just to discuss the social media companies. It is to look at what we need to do about authorised push payment fraud. There is no doubt, in my view, that the social media companies have a role to play. The culprits are the people who are scamming, swindling and so on, but companies cannot financially...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I thank the witnesses. I note from both Google and Meta's opening statements that the number of fraudulent websites and ads that have been taken down is massive. I note the work that is going on there. Regarding Amazon, Mr. Brophy was nearly back in his old role, giving a bit of financial advice to the committee, slipping into his old jacket too comfortably. I hear his opening statement...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: No. What I am asking about is where sellers on Amazon are selling an item, and when it goes to the purchase point, they are contacting the buyer and asking them to make payments off-platform using other types of apps like Venmo and so on, where the scam actually happens, although it is originating on the Amazon site.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: We can hear you fine, thanks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, so Amazon does not track that. Amazon warns customers not to make payments off-platform, through Western Union or whatever, but to go onto the site. It is the right warning because if it is fraudulent, they will get their money back. It is a great service that is operated if people stay on the platform. It appears over and over that this is one of the scams that are attempted. A...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Sorry, it is the first item on the website in respect of avoiding payment scams. There is a number of items about how to avoid them and the first is "do not do business with a seller who directs you off the Amazon website." How are they getting on to the Amazon website in the first place and do the witnesses have any figures on how many people have been put off as a result of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am sorry, I did not mean to interrupt Ms Bishop.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate all the responses.

Written Answers — Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth: International Protection (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 492. To ask the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth the number of properties in Donegal that are currently being used to accommodate refugees and those availing of international protection, broken down by area, in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [46700/23]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Departmental Data (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 626. To ask the Minister for Health for a breakdown of spending allocated for mental health in the CHO1 region on a per-capita basis; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [46725/23]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It should not have to take this meeting to recognise that the financial industry, which is at the coalface of this because its customers are the ones discovering that payments have been being taken out, should not have to select a violation from a drop-down menu, which is the same level of access my mum has. That is not acceptable. Financial institutions have information that they should...

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (19 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: In last week's budget the Government made a conscious decision to under-fund the health system. That is well established. The impact is going to be felt by those unable to get a hospital bed, those who will remain on long waiting lists and thousands of seriously ill patients who may not be able to access potentially life-saving medicines. The Government is now playing the blame game,...

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (19 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The Tánaiste should talk to his Ministers, three of them together.

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (19 Oct 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The question is whether the Tánaiste accepts the under-funding of the health system.

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