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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I thank Mr. Mulvey for coming here today. I will start with the broader meaning of just transition and how it is interpreted. I had a look at the International Labour Organization standards of what that means and a look at the Paris Agreement, and when I then read the just transition terms of reference that Mr. Mulvey has been handed I thought they are very narrow. Would Mr. Mulvey comment...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: The ESB is excluded from the part that states the just transition commissioner cannot have an industrial relations role whereas Bord na Móna is explicitly included. I believe the reason is that Bord na Móna management had an input in framing these terms of reference. It was obvious when we had the discussion with its representatives when they came before the committee that they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Yes, I will come back to the other issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: On the definition of a just transition, does Mr. Mulvey have any views on it? Has he read material on it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: That is very well put.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: It is good to hear that. Mr. Mulvey described it very well. The reference I was looking for was the Bord na Móna workers in Mountdillon. In an exchange with the CEO of Bord na Móna, he informed me that the only people made redundant in Mountdillon were seasonal workers. In fact, 75 seasonal workers were let go but 75 permanent employees were put on seven days' notice. That was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I thank the witnesses for their contributions. As they will know, the committee heard from Stephen Teap and Lorraine Walsh yesterday. I was particularly struck by Ms Walsh's lack of confidence in the RCOG report. We have had a lot of discussion about the need for confidence in the screening system. I for one am an advocate of screening. I have taken part in it all my life and I would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I am referring to Deputy O'Connell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I am not making it anonymously. I am saying that Deputy O'Connell has said that it is not like a lottery that the two slides got mixed up. To say that it is an exaggeration.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: To intimate that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: We are short on time. To intimate that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I believe that is an extraordinary coincidence that they were mixed up. So does Lorraine Walsh. She has lost confidence in the RCOG report. She also said that she felt that women were not being listened to and she felt bullied by the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Okay. I will park that. Deputy O'Connell also referred to her colleague, Senator Reilly, who advocated for the introduction of a national screening programme. At the time, he stated: I understand several laboratories are now accredited, including Beaumont/Rotunda, RCSI, St. James's Hospital through its connection with Antrim and Altnagelvin Hospital, which has looked after the needs of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: If they were included.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: I understand that. Why does the report state that in 159 of these cases, the difference was judged by RCOG to have been a difference that could have represented an opportunity to prevent cancer or to provide a diagnosis at an earlier stage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Does Professor Kitchener agree that the fact the slides were missing from the overall results given could have changed that percentage level, in line with the NHS?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Could it have been the case if many of them were found to be discordant?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Professor Kitchener's position is that he does not "think" it would have altered the result but he cannot be sure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: Professor Kitchener is certain of that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Independent Expert Panel Review into Cervical Screening: Discussion (18 Dec 2019)

Bríd Smith: -----despite that many of them could be seriously discordant.

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