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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: As a follow-on to that, I revert to my point on affordability, which was further developed by Deputy Burke. Where accommodation is built using this funding, who controls it and who sets the rent? Is it the case that the money is handed to a company, which builds the accommodation and then sets the rents, manages the property and so on? How does it work?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I heard that part. Is the funding for that provided through PPPs or are those accommodation units provided as straightforward design and build projects?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Who will manage those? Presumably, the universities will bring in management agents. In terms of policy, will the universities or the agents set the rents?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know about those restrictions, which are applied under the overall private rented sector guidelines, but I am asking a different question about what would happen if we invested over €500 million in building student accommodation. Given the picture Deputy Burke paints, it seems that what I often describe as the Wild West now obtains. There are private commercial interests. They do...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The universities, as public institutions, will call the tune.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. I just wanted clarification.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The witnesses know my concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We need the rents to be affordable after we have spent good money.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: With regard to the NFT, the Act it was set up under provides that: "...information on the existing and likely future skills requirement of the economy ... The Act requires that any surplus funding remains in the NTF account to provide for reinvestment in eligible training activities". We have covered that ground fairly well. Obviously the money is there and it is good to have the money but...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: To activate the findings

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is 26,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: My question is whether there is a problem getting employers to take on apprentices, not only in the traditional trades. For example, in Germany there are apprentice accountants and apprentices across a whole range of areas.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are the local authorities part of the 750?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Did you say falling away of?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Some local authorities are increasing their maintenance staff because the contracts are too expensive.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: From Mr. Beausang's answer, it is clear there is a push to develop apprenticeships, not only in the traditional craft trades, but also in other areas.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does that include the world of finance?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is a chronic need in the construction, maintenance and retrofitting sectors. There is a huge gap. Employers and contractors I know say they cannot get people who are skilled. There is a gap. I am told there is a reluctance by many employers to get into the game of apprenticeships. There is a separate problem that many people want their children to go to third level education....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is anything being done in the area of mechanics and technicians? Every dealership needs them.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 45 - Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science
Financial Statements 2022: National Training Fund
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 19: National Training Fund
(23 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: For electric vehicles and internal combustion engines.

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