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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----so I have to pull you up and say you are being unfair to Rathdowney.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Of course capacity went down but there was the not-so-insignificant problem that the fecking State was bankrupt.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: No, just to say, I came in here in 2011-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: I remember meeting the representatives of the troika in 2012. I was here since 2011. It was a very bleak picture. The Deputy is correct however that the supply collapsed, as did it the capacity to supply, and when that happens, it is difficult to restart it again. I agree with the Deputy on this: in the period between 2016 and 2017, as the economy recovered, it should have been cranking...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: There was in certain areas.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: I can show the Deputy whole estates that were empty. They are now full.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes. I know that. It was a geographic thing and I accept that. I agree with the Deputy's point about having the planning there so that in the case of a cyclical downturn, we can still build, as we did the in 1950s and 1970s when things were-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Money rules. I am going to suspend the committee briefly for ten minutes and will resume in ten minutes sharp.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: The next committee member in is Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: WIll Mr. Doyle tell the committee what happened? Was the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform dictating how many posts would be filled?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there an ambition to drive on the affordable housing scheme? I am not referring to the first home scheme because that is not affordable housing.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will see a demand for it once it is advertised. I want to go back to the issue of the underspend for a moment. Mr. Doyle, as the Accounting Officer, has the job to forecast the budgets, ensure the budget is spent and that the programmes are delivered. In preparation for today's meeting, I went through the documentation. The underspend last year was more than €500 million....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to ask about the Croí Cónaithe city scheme because Mr. Doyle referenced earlier that some of the bottlenecks and some of the problems were caused by the fact that the Department is trying to restart a building industry that was closed down during the crash and for a bit during Covid-19 also. We are a long way out of that now. The houses under the Croí Cónaithe...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: No, okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: How does Mr. Doyle explain the fact that 97% of the budget was not spent on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: And tell me-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Local authorities built 1,666 houses last year according to the figures supplied by Mr. Doyle to this committee. In the 1970s the local authorities were building 7,000 and 8,000 houses. In the 1930s they were building 7,000, 8,000 and 9,000 houses. What I am trying to understand, for the life of me - and I know we are using different methods and I am in favour of that, AHBs etc. - is what...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Brian Stanley: Some local authorities built no houses. None, according to the figures.

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