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Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: The Deputy has ten minutes.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: The next slot is to be shared between Deputies McEntee, Feighan and English. I understand Deputy McEntee proposes to share her time with Deputy Spring. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: The next time slot is being shared by Deputy Catherine Byrne and Deputy Buttimer, who have five and 15 minutes, respectively.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: Thank you, Deputy.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: I call Deputy Broughan.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: I call Deputy Naughten, who is sharing time with Deputies Timmins, Mathews, Nulty, Keaveney and Broughan.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: They pluck out of the air a figure that they received by submitting a parliamentary question. I presume they know that, once one interferes, there is a change. Nothing remains constant, as many of the Deputies across the way know. When there is change, projections go astray. Sadly, this has often happened. I do not want to go into the story of the 10% of people who pay a considerable...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: The mutterings coming from Deputy Mattie McGrath and others on that side of the House sound shallow to those who ask what Deputy Mattie McGrath did while on this side of the House. He could only say, "Let there be more spending". That is what the critics on that side of the House are now saying. Does the House realise where this country would be if that were to happen and the budgetary...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: We have heard it in recent times. We have heard it every single day from that quarter.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: From Deputy Mattie McGrath in particular. What were the consequences of that exercise? Within 18 months, the Taoiseach of the day needed to resign because the debt had doubled. It was appalling. The country did not recover for ten years. Those who want to promote such ideas are misleading the people. The people of this country deserve more than that. The belief is that people do not...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: Media outlets spend their time-----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: There are media outlets that spend their time reminding us time and again that people distrust politicians. The reason is that they were sold down the river in 1977 when they were told that they could have free car tax and free health services, that rates would be abolished, that there would be investment and that they would be better off. There was only an inflationary bubble, and the...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: I marvel at the degree to which the Government, in extraordinarily difficult circumstances, has managed to bring people along with it and to support and encourage them as much as possible. It has been a trying task. The Government has succeeded so far. The people of this country have succeeded so far. We are all getting near the end of our tethers. We must see the light at the end of the...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: -----despite the cynicism of people like Deputy Mattie McGrath and the best efforts of some to undermine everything that has happened. They can sneer, laugh and snigger as much as they like. They can go to their friends who are commentators and encourage more of the same nonsense. It does not cut any ice. The simple fact of the matter is that we have seen and heard it all previously. The...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: I am glad to have an opportunity to speak on this Bill. One's credulity is stretched when one hears the submissions made to the House in the climate we have lived in for the last several years. The Government has been accused of being arrogant and impervious to the needs of the people. I begin to wonder whether we have all been living in the same country. I readily accept that the...

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: Deputy Catherine Murphy has done that from time to time.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: Deputy Mattie will remember that -----

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: ----- from his previous incarnation

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: I fully recognise that they are, to varying degrees, denying the situation in which we find ourselves. Their only solution is escapism. They are pretending it never happened and calling for more money to be spent. Deputy Mattie McGrath even had to leave Fianna Fáil on that basis, having been totally irresponsible.

Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (24 Oct 2013)

Bernard Durkan: This is the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill.

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