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Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I am satisfied with that. Charters are necessary. For example, the promotion of the Irish language and Irish culture is not included anywhere in the legislation to the best of my knowledge but it should form part of a charter for a technological university.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I wish to give notice that I will table an amendment on Report Stage to state that the conditions of service should be subject to normal industrial relations mechanisms with the recognised trade unions.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I move amendment No. 13:In page 25, to delete lines 24 and 25 and substitute the following:“(iii) not less than 4 or 10 per cent (whichever is greater) of student representatives of the technological university, nominated by the Students’ Union, in accordance with its own procedures.”.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I will also be tabling an amendment on Report Stage to tighten up that.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I will press my amendment.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I move amendment No. 14:In page 26, between lines 11 and 12, to insert the following:“(a) ensuring that the technological university has a quality assurance system that complies with European standards and guidelines,”. On Report Stage, I will table an additional amendment to section 29(3)(c) to include the community, social and cultural sectors in "promoting the involvement,...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: The legislation is very open in the context of what the Minister proposes. It does not state that governing body members must come from a particular sector. Therefore, we could have a situation where a majority of the external members could come from the business community or some other sector. What we are trying to do is to define membership. My amendment suggests it should include X...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I formally withdraw the amendment.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: If the Chairman cannot make a ruling on it, how-----

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: To be sure, I am willing to withdraw the amendment on the understanding that on Report Stage I will be bringing forward an amendment along these lines but also extending it beyond technological universities.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: Is that fair enough?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: To be clear, is the Minister saying that if I wanted to change the text to include students, I would have to apply that change to all of the other items of legislation?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I support what Deputy O'Sullivan said regarding the governing body. I, too, will be bringing forward an amendment on Report Stage.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I move amendment No. 12:In page 22, between lines 23 and 24, to insert the following: “Membership of governing body of technological university 25. (1) A governing body, having not fewer than 11 and not more than 20 members, shall consist of—(a) the president, (b) a chairperson (in this section and Schedule 1 referred to as the "chairperson") who shall be an external member,...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I move amendment No. 10:In page 21, to delete lines 25 and 26 and substitute the following:"(iii) be published in such manner as the technological university considers appropriate jointly agreed by the parties concerned.".

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I know the Minister is not going to take on board any of my proposed amendments to the Bill but I hope some of the concerns we are raising today will at least be addressed on Report Stage.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I indicated on Second Stage that unless some amendments are made to the legislation that we could not support it, even though we support the concept of technological universities. As the Bill currently stands, some changes must be made to it.

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: I move amendment No. 11:In page 22, to delete lines 12 to 17 and substitute the following:"(2) A member of the academic staff or a student learner of a technological university shall not, subject to the provisions of any enactment or rule of law, be disadvantaged, or subject to less favourable treatment by the technological university, arising from his or her questioning and testing received...

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: What is the disadvantage to it?

Committee on Education and Social Protection: Select Sub-Committee on Education and Skills: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (14 Jan 2016)

Jonathan O'Brien: We are not proposing to change it but to add a provision that students can also have that same freedom.

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