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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is appreciated and understood. It does not bypass the system in place.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Thank you. I call Deputy Kelly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was a great phrase.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does the Deputy mean it was appealed by someone with a false name? The letter must have come from somewhere.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it that the named person does not exist?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The witnesses are only listening.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the name of that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Walsh to send it through the committee. He and the Deputy are both familiar with the document but the committee does not have it in front of it. In order to be fair to the full committee, he should send the report-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask him to send the response to the report through the committee in order that we know what is being referred to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Walsh has used the word "stakeholders" a few times. Who are the stakeholders in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who are they?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are far more people who have made submissions and observations as part of the planning process than there are local authority officials, builders, or architects. How many of those people were consulted? Did An Bord Pleanála go through its files and ask a sample of the site users who corresponded with it to be part of this process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Very few people come to these public meetings, relative to 3.5 million people, as we know from open meetings and local plans not being contested. I think of the term "stakeholder" as referring to officialdom and all the people with a vested interest in getting through the system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am referring to regular citizens. I am not taking from Deputy Catherine Murphy's time. When the witnesses refer to talking to stakeholders, are they only talking to themselves and the usual people?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Would you consider a person who has made a submission as part of your work and not a stakeholder?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Nobody is suggesting that you reply to 50,000 people. If you got to 500, you would be doing well. When I hear about stakeholders coming out, I want to know where the ordinary citizen is in that. I have not received the answer yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay. The board knows who responded to the consultation it carried out. You might give us a breakdown of those, such as from local authorities, Departments, Government agencies, professionals representing clients and ordinary citizens.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: You understand what I am seeking.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not asking you to do any more work than you have done, which is to give the committee a breakdown of who responded.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Walsh should provide his best estimate.

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