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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: How did we get to that point? Was it by educating the public that the law was in place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Is there any reason to believe that this legislation will be any different?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Therefore, the general public would be expected to understand this as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: That would imply that they would be knowingly breaking the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I know we do not have data for this, but do the witnesses have data for the number of people who have been issued a warning of non-compliance, been detained or been impacted in any way in respect of public order legislation since 2019, that is, since the introduction of reproductive rights?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: That is because there have been no prosecutions, Ms McMahon said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Sorry, but, to be clear on the legal point, there is legislation on intimidation and harassment coming down the line. The basis of it seems to be the creation of a catalogue of repeated offences, so this is happening in other legislation. Has An Garda Síochána, as implementers of the law, done a piece of work on how it will deal with that? Whatever about this legislation, it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I completely agree with Ms Mulkerrins. That is what I am saying. It is the repeated nature of it that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I am sorry, Chair. I am out of time. I do not mean to cut across Ms Mulkerrins, but if the Garda does end up collating some kind of information or data on this, it would be really helpful for the committee to receive it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I have some questions for clarity. Our guests met the Department of Health on Monday. Were representatives of the Department of Justice present at that meeting, and if not, have they met previously? If they have done so, will they outline when and how many times they met? Our guests mentioned they had carried out desktop research on safe access zones in other jurisdictions. Will they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I apologise for interrupting, but I always think of the UK as having a similar legal system to our own because we kind of inherited it, and it is moving forward with this. Are we going to reach out to it or is that connection not there anymore? It is going through in Northern Ireland as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Fair enough. The written Constitution changes everything.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I thank Ms Mulkerrins. There was also the question about the Department of Justice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: To be clear, this has been coming since 2020, when the programme for Government was signed. Therefore, the Department of Justice still not having sat down in respect of it with An Garda Síochána is concerning.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. Dr. McNamara might do that and let us know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Will Dr. McNamara let us know if other conversations have been missed during the course of this conversation?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: We have just seen a reform of LPT that has not actually resulted in an increased yield, which is extraordinary.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: It is often the renters who would benefit from the services that would be cut because of the cutting of the local property tax.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Dr. McDonnell has somewhat answered my next question in commenting that commercial rates are broken. Would any of the delegates like to elaborate on that in the context of what we can do to expand the tax base?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services (Safe Access Zones)) Bill 2022: An Garda Síochána (9 Nov 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: The presence of white coffins might not be recorded on PULSE.

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