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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Am I summarising correctly that it seems to be that a role was created for a person as opposed to a person being found for a role? As such, is that the CHI's recruitment policy?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: For individuals.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: That is okay. I appreciate that. Is there a job description available for that role?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Is that publicly available?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Thank you. Was there an NDA signed?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Okay. What were the legal fees costs associated with that incurred by CHI?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Does someone else here have that information?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: About the legal fees? Okay. We have spoken a bit about the new hospital. A total of 120 staff members are responsible for the transition. How many of those are in place currently?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Okay. And they are all in place, bar the 47?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: In terms of staffing at the new hospital, have contract start dates been signed and sealed?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Thank you, Ms Nugent. What is the nature of the relationship between Temple Street public hospital and Temple Street private clinic? Is there any relationship between those in terms of a lease agreement? Does Temple Street private clinic lease premises from Temple Street public hospital? Is there any situation where public funds are used, whether that is secretarial or anything else, in...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: I ask the witnesses to follow up on the piece around the legal costs. There seems to be some ambiguity between what is in the C and AG’s report versus what has been said here today, that if the CHI instigated a mediation process, incurred legal costs associated with that process, and the person was still employed in the role. I would appreciate clarity if there were legal fees...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Who would choose to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: I thank Ms Nugent for staying with us. If there is a likely 16th or 17th delay, will there be any operational or clinical consequences for the transition?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: A potential 16th or 17th delay will not impact on the transition.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: In 2022, €19 million was announced by the Minister specifically with regard to scoliosis and spinal surgeries. I was expecting that to be crystallised in the 2023 accounts. Was it? Will Ms Nugent very briefly tell us how that was spent? Was it spent directly on surgeries? Has CHI received that funding?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: I will find that publicly. I have a third question regarding CHI. There were reports last year of additional halo-gravity traction wheelchairs. Has CHI purchased any more and how many are available to CHI and the children in the service?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Aidan Farrelly: I thank Mr. Gunning and his colleagues for their time this morning. Are there any vacancies on the board? Has the board had an opportunity to reflect on the learnings? If it were day one tomorrow, would the board do anything differently overall with this significant infrastructure project?

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