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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It was my understanding that a court order could be taken to get that information, but perhaps I am incorrect. The Minister would be supportive of any mechanism that needs to happen to get that information out into the public domain. As she has said, none of the officials here or other officials in the Department have knowledge of these figures.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The Minister, therefore, would be supportive of whatever mechanism - a court order or whatever - being put in place to get that information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Minister. Looking to the future, the Minister mentioned the two expert reports and the need for reforms in public sector broadcasting. The reality is that now we are in a situation where we have no chair. We need a chair. We need someone who is very strong in that role. It could be said that it might be difficult to get somebody to take on that role after what has happened...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Minister very much.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I just wanted to make a point that was more to do the timelines on the Thursday. I know Deputy Ruairí Ó Murchú has gone through it. It was extremely important that we heard that information here today. It led to what happened on Thursday night. With regard to the chain of events, I think the Minister was correct to send her letter under the circumstances. I do not think...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: First, I will question Mr. Lynch. I asked the questions in respect of Toy Show The Musicalat a meeting held on 18 January 2023, when we were discussing the future of media, which Senator Cassells raised there. Ironically, Mr. Lynch is sitting in the same seat as he did on that day. I wanted to know RTÉ's views, as an organisation, on where the decision came from, on how much it...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The question was put to both Mr. Lynch and Mr. Coveney. If Mr. Lynch was aware that there were concerns then he should have made us aware of them, as an Oireachtas committee, representing the taxpayer but he did not.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Does Ms O'Leary take responsibility for the fiasco, as the person who is in charge of audit and risk?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Then Ms O'Leary should take responsibility that a project like that should not have gone ahead as that information was not made available.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It is ironic that all three of them are not here to give answers.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It is very easy to blame the people who are not here.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: In fairness, if you are in a role like that then you have to take responsibility. That is my view.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: This project was brought by two producers - Jane Murphy and Katherine Drohan. How much were they paid?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I do not think that is the case.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: In documentation that I have seen they were paid extra over the three-year period.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yet when the project was a flop, they were transferred to other roles - an executive producer of "The Late Late Show" and RTÉ's editor of internal productions. They got a promotion.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: A fair point. I want to say to Ms Cusack about the exit package that €450,000 is a lot of money. In her role she is responsible to the taxpayer but, one, she did not question the approval process, and two, she did not ask how savings would be achieved, and yet she signed off on the approval by the executive board despite the fact she knew it was not approved by the board. I am the...

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