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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: It is a very valid point. On behalf of the racing community, I express that as a concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: They are massive from a welfare perspective.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: We have the initial exposure, the consequential reaction at Government level and the public reaction to it, but the unforeseen consequences are the latter part of the three phases, in my view. That is more concerning than anything. We might have animals being put onto boats and the Department will know well in the context of calf exports how precarious that is.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: Does the Department have an intention to deal with it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I accept the Department cannot come up with something but it has responsibility and it cannot escape that. A much more interventionist approach initially would have been helpful, as we now know. That is not an acceptable answer. The Department needs to have an answer to this within weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I am not talking about somebody else. The Department should directly intervene in the situation.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: What of the unintended consequence that animals will leave the island?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: With all due respect, five complaints were made and the Department made a determination that it was not worthy of concern for the reasons that Mr. Sheahan has outlined. That is why it is now toxic.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I will come back with a second round of questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I will ask my first question quickly as it is something that is bothering me. Mr. Sheahan said something in the last round that one person involved had a Garda complaint made against him for animal cruelty. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: In relation to animal cruelty.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: Was Mr. Sheahan aware of that prior to when the inspections took place? I mean the five previous complaints and following inspections. Was he aware of that Garda conviction?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: Was the Department aware?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: If it was aware it is an embarrassment to the Government and the Department that that individual was involved in the care and handling-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: Hang on a second. I have not even made the point here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: He is convicted. It is an embarrassment to the Department of agriculture that that individual was left near an animal. It is actually disgusting. I grew up around animals, horses and cows, and have been around them all my life. That somebody could be convicted and still be allowed work in a setting involving animals is sick. If we put this is a human context, would we have somebody like...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I have no time. I am sorry.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: I just wanted to make that point. I am not asking a question, I am making a statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: You are digging a JCB-sized hole for yourself here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Horse Racing Ireland
Financial Statements 2022: Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board
(20 Jun 2024)

James O'Connor: You are.

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