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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: Yes, and again all that will be resource-dependent and depend on discussion between me and the Minister, Deputy Chambers. Local authorities up to now have been shouldering quite a lot of the burden of the physical infrastructure for the performing, visual and creative arts around the country, whether it is small galleries or small theatre spaces. It is the local authorities that have been...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: Yes, absolutely. At the end of the day - and it is on in Wexford this year, and it was there last year too - local commercial activity, be it restaurants, hotels, bed-and-breakfasts or camp sites, does exceptionally well. Deputy Brennan referred to approximately 600,000 people being in Wexford town. Deputy Malcolm Byrne will know this too. Wexford has seen a boom in the number of people...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: This is extremely important. When I say I do not know whether we have bottomed out, I will not know that until Professor Niamh Brennan's report is finished. I think it would be a bit foolhardy of me to say that everything is as it is now and we have full transparency and all the facts. I thought last week that the legal bill was €60,000-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: -----when it was €119,000. If I were to tell the Senator now that we have bottomed out, and then something else comes up in Professor Brennan's report, would I not then look like an awful eejit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: Regarding the legal bill, this is exactly what we did. The officials in our Department interrogate those numbers and this is how we arrived at €119,000. That figure came from people who work in my Department going deeper and deeper with questioning to find out what the actual cost was, especially given there could be further liabilities if legal action were to be pursued. That...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: One of the things the Department will have to have regard to is that we will need a temporary acting director, CEO or call it what you will. We are in the process of trying to identify someone to do it. I have to look at this issue in the round, with the consent of the board, then, at a time we will determine after Professor Niamh Brennan reports. Many of the decisions here were taken with...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: The main thrust of the discussions I had with the companies was to assess their position on whether they believed that age verification is a good thing. Universally all of them did. The Deputy is right that it is going to be a complicated issue to be able to verify a person's age. There are a number of different ways that can be done-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: My concerns, in a hierarchical ranking, are concern for the child first. That is my primary concern.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: My primary concern at the moment is to make sure that children online are safe. As a parent and as a former teacher, this is my primary motivation. Each and every one of the companies I met has a different methodology or suggestion as to how they believe age verification could be achieved. The Office of the Government Chief Information Officer will have a view, the European Commission will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: If there is a hierarchy, it is that the safety of the child should come first no matter what else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: No, I did not. I discussed the safety of the child online. I encourage the committee if members have suggestions to outline how our children could be safe online. It is a balancing act in terms of rights but they have to be proportionate. The most important thing is that the right of the child to be safe online should be enshrined.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: I am open to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: I am entirely with the Deputy on this. I have met the European Commission around this and I have asked the European Commission the very blunt and very straight question of what could be more important for us as legislators than the protection of our children online in this space. Procrastination and fudging has gone on at a European level for a long time. Europe is going to have to react...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: When the Secretary General became aware of it, he initiated an investigation, which ultimately is the report that most of what we are answering today is based on. On the question of whether I am satisfied, I have replied to Deputy Brennan that this is why I brought in the IPA to do the body of work that it is doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: It is being done because a transfer of function to the Department has only finished in the past fortnight.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: Yes. It is a long way from Nenagh to the University Concert Hall in Limerick or the Lime Tree Theatre. North Tipperary should have a theatre that is capable of hosting events, the same as any other part of the country. The Irish National Opera is coming to Limerick in a couple of weeks. There is no reason that all these events should be all Dublin-centric. At the moment, by virtue of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: We will have an ask in the budget for community-based sports facilities. We will be developing schemes for very basic things like instruments, uniforms, lighting, sound, curtains, all of those sort of things.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: I do not understand, what comments have I passed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Update on Departmental Priorities and Legislation: Department of Culture, Communications and Sport (2 Jul 2025)

Patrick O'Donovan: I do not know how the Deputy could have deduced that from what I said. I did not say that at all. If that is the version he wants to take from what I said, I cannot help that. What I did say is that I will await publication of the Professor Brennan's report. I have no problem coming back to the committee after the fact, but if the Deputy has deduced that from my statement, his powers are...

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