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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...she have full confidence that every member of her senior management team has the capacity to do their job? Third, does she have confidence they can all work together collectively to the best of An Garda Síochána's ability and in the best interest of the Irish public?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...public, who are watching proceedings, need to know, as a result of what they have seen here, that Ms O'Sullivan has full confidence in every way in each and every one of the management team in An Garda Síochána. I need to know this, as the person who is chairing this meeting. I have gone through thousands of pages of documents and have seen contradictions all over the place. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: They were both issues that were illegal. A garda could not be a director of a company and, obviously, could not be opening bank accounts. We had evidence whereby they actually opened bank accounts without the permission of the Department of Justice and Equality. What did the Commissioner think of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...This happens all the time in relation to the documentation that is provided to this committee. Unfortunately, it has happened on numerous occasions and has nothing to do with the witnesses or the Garda. It happens in relation to a whole range of other issues. That is life, unfortunately, and I doubt that it will change. We have to make judgment calls on this matter to the best of our...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: For clarification, Commissioner, I think we actually got the document from the Garda originally so the organisation had it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is to be admired. I was at a retirement do at the weekend for a member of An Garda Síochána who was 39 years in the job. When was she first made aware of the Sportsfield company during her service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...raised by Mr. Kelly last Friday and Monday to GSOC and the Comptroller and Auditor General, etc. She has also referred them to OLAF. Is it a source of embarrassment for her that a member of An Garda Síochána has, over the last number of weeks, referred these issues to OLAF and the European Court of Auditors already?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: There was a Garda communiqué. It is a book that was produced by the Garda. I will not share it, but there is a chapter called "Internal Audit". This is from 2001 and was written by a superintendent. I will not say his name. It gives a full six-page description of how internal audit works in An Garda Síochána. In fairness, I will ask the Commissioner to try to dig this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...is received and discussed the committee intends to report on issues pertaining to the financial procedures in Templemore. The Commissioner will be before us again on the matter of the rest of the Garda Vote on a great date, my birthday on 13 July. We will all look forward to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...know we are all "mithered" from it, having gone through days of evidence and thousands of pages of documents, does she have confidence in the financial controls that she has seen in place in An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...of the questions as I thought the answers that were given were not appropriate. Effectively the relationship is that the Department of Justice and Equality is the parent of the child called An Garda Síochána. When Mr. O'Callaghan heard about the issues in Templemore, did he ever describe them as a speed bump?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Fine. The issue is that Mr. Waters feels it is inappropriate to ask his predecessor, Mr. Aylward, and Mr. Leamy, a retired CAO of the Garda Síochána what happened at a meeting that seemed to be fairly crucial, but which he does not remember.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I can only deduce that Mr. O'Callaghan does not find anything wrong with not telling the internal auditor. Does Mr. Waters understand what section 40 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005 states?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...Secretary General for any aspect of her functions and that her duty in that regard "includes the duty to provide, on request by the Secretary General, any document in the power or control of the Garda Síochána, including material in the form of Garda records, statements made by members of the Garda Síochána and by other persons and reports." A critical issue in all...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Tribunals of Inquiry (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 375. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if all the persons that have been hired by the Garda Commissioner to form part of the Charleton liaison committee were sanctioned by his Department and were employed following a full public procurement process; and if so, the details of same. [27344/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Tribunals of Inquiry Establishment (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 762. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality if the Policing Authority was consulted in advance by the Garda Commissioner regarding the hiring of all persons that are now employed as part of the Charleton liaison committee. [27328/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Tribunals of Inquiry Establishment (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 763. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality further to parliamentary Question No. 62 of 1 June 2017, the date on which and the format in which the Garda Commissioner consulted with his Department regarding the creation of the Charleton liaison committee. [27329/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Tribunals of Inquiry Establishment (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 765. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality further to parliamentary Question No. 62 of 1 June 2017, the way in which the Garda Commissioner sought sanction to retain persons to work on the Charleton liaison committee in view of the fact that this was a new committee that did not exist beforehand. [27331/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Tribunals of Inquiry Establishment (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 766. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality further to parliamentary Question No. 62 of 1 June 2017, if the Garda Commissioner employed persons as part of the Charleton liaison committee before getting formal sanction from his Department, the Policing Authority or the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. [27332/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Tribunals of Inquiry Establishment (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality further to parliamentary Question No. 62 of 1 June 2017, if his Department was consulted regarding the persons that would be hired by the Garda Commissioner as part of the Charleton liaison committee prior to their selection. [27333/17]

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