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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: To date.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Was the figure the board cited to the Committee of Public Accounts last year not approximately half of that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: To date, it is €4 million. How long is the technical commissioning expected to take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Seven or eight months.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: That is under way and the board does not expect it to delay the opening of the hospital.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: How long is that likely to take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Listening to the witnesses, I get the sense that the board is helpless. There is a serious logjam in this major project and I am not hearing any pathway towards the resolution of these significant issues. There is an element of people throwing their hands up in the air and shrugging their shoulders. What is the pathway? In answering, will the witnesses confirm what powers the board has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: The ER has been working on this for three years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: I know, but Mr. Gunning said that there had not been a compliant programme since 2021.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: The board still does not have a satisfactorily compliant programme. This has gone on for three years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: The question of adequate resourcing for the project has also dragged on for a number of years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Is it not a legally binding requirement of the contract that the contractor must produce an up-to-date and satisfactorily compliant programme?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: What is the penalty in circumstances where that basic requirement is not met?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Yesterday, we heard from the Minister for public expenditure that lessons had been learned. He did not specify what those lessons were, but it was very much a mea culpa thing. Mr. Gunning is saying that the public works contract is the problem – that is what I am picking up from him – and that that is the reason the board appears to be helpless in these circumstances.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Has the board made recommendations to the Government about the changes to the public works contract that are required? At some other point when there is time, the board might share the lessons it has learned from its experience in this case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: The board has said that, but surely the problem is the board’s helplessness or powerlessness in addressing that and how this has dragged on for three years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Is there any pathway to a resolution in the foreseeable future?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: No. We have spent this whole meeting discussing the problems associated with the project, how the board is helpless and how this is the contractor’s problem. What is the pathway out of this quagmire?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: It has not done that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

Róisín Shortall: For how long will the board wait?

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