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Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Clendennen.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: I do not know how the mechanism works. We will inquire before the next meeting.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: The NTA can take it as a request from the committee to come back in writing about the flowchart.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: We must move on. I will give Deputy Clendennen a second chance.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: At this stage I will move on to Senator Byrne and then Deputies McCormack and Lawlor. They are very welcome to the meeting. There will be a second round for them.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: There is an opportunity if members want to come in a second time. I will take them in the same sequence as the first round: Deputies Neville, Sheehan, Cronin, and Clendennen. I ask speakers be a little tighter on time.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: A maximum of five minutes apiece. Members should keep the questions short so they can get the answer.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Creegan can come back-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Deputy-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: A vote has been called in the Chamber. It is a pity as we are at the final furlong.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: We are nearly there. It is unfortunate. There are probably only ten minutes left in the meeting but the Dáil supersedes everything else.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Before we wrap up, I call Deputy Cronin.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Before we conclude, I want to put a few quick points to the witnesses. This is a new committee. It is the first time there has been a committee for infrastructure and capital projects. We want to ensure delivery. We want to start from a base of information. All of us know that projects always take longer and cost more. The best way for us to judge what we are doing is to have baseline...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Very good.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I will keep it simple. Let us confine it to projects that were completed in recent years. I am not looking for old projects. I am asking about the ones under the current development plan that are listed in the witnesses' document.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: It is inevitable but sometimes it is better for people to know. What I am trying to achieve here is not just getting things delivered but also restoring public confidence, which we have lost.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: We made the point that we are not going to discuss the national children's hospital here. The public loses confidence in public authorities when they come with a figure for a project but eight years later, that figure has no relationship with the original-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: This is great news. I look forward to receiving good news. I am not a negative person. We need a baseline for when an organisation talks to us-----

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. We will be here and do not want to hear that the figure has gone up by 60%. The last question, which was touched on before, relates to every project. I want to know the construction cost versus the non-construction cost. I am conscious that there was a time when we were doing motorways when it was probably 80% construction. Years ago, a stretch of the M50 towards Dundrum - I am...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Planning, Approving and Delivering Transport Infrastructure Projects: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Seán Fleming: I thank the witnesses who have been very helpful. I am sorry that they have been here several hours but hopefully the information we get here will be in the public interest. We look forward to receiving that information.

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