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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Up to 2018 there would have been relatively little recruitment. Is the Irish Prison Service bound by the same wage agreements with €31,000 at entry level?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Is it not correct that the agency workers would not have been?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The outcome of that would be that if an incident took place, the agency nurse would not have been able to put a prisoner on report. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Would Mr. Culliton be aware of a sexual harassment that arose with an agency nurse who was reluctant to pursue it because they could not put a prisoner on report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It was suggested that if they did, they might fear that the agency would not make them available to the Irish Prison Service again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: On the basis that we clearly we did use them - Mr. Culliton is linking them to the crisis nationally on agency staff - I suggest that he would make contact with whatever agencies the Irish Prison Service used in recent years and ask if there were incidents. Obviously I am sure he would like to see that dealt with if it had occurred.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: So Mr. Culliton will do that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Great. I want to talk about the mess committees. I am told they did not exist until 2012. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: On the contract that was in place, did one company tender to the Irish Prison Service and do all 12 prisons?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: As that was no longer working out for it, for cost or other reasons, it chose not to stay in. The Irish Prison Service put it out to tender. Nobody capable of or interested in doing all 12 won. Therefore in conjunction with the union the mess committees were set up. Up to 2012 all the expenditure on the contractor would all have been above board and in the Irish Prison Service's...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: An all-in contract. The mess committee is made up of a number of prison officers effectively. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: There is one in each of the 12 prisons. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: They feed the staff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In nine prisons, okay. What three do not have them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. How many prisoners are there in each of those? How many staff would be in each of those on a daily basis? Going back to the 1,000, how many can I take off the 1,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What is the third prison? Ms McCaffrey said nine had mess committees.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In which one do we have a contract for the food for the staff if there is only one apart from the two open prisons?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I get that. I just want to get the numbers right because I will do a calculation in a second based on the 1,000. I will take about 100 off that to bring it to 900. How many more should I take off because a third prison does not have a mess committee?

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