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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: I thank Mr. Tennant. Before I invite members of the committee to ask questions, I propose to reverse the order from the earlier session, if that is okay with the delegates.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Deputy Neville will be followed by Senator Warfield, Deputy Lisa Chambers, Deputy Rabbitte, Senator Freeman, Deputy Sherlock, Deputy Mitchell and me. Before I ask Deputy Neville to open the questioning, as Chairman of the committee and an ordinary Member of the Oireachtas, I wish to make it clear that Scouting Ireland is an invaluable organisation and acknowledge the significant steps it has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: On the suggestion made by Tusla that individuals within Scouting Ireland were "compromised", I think the representatives of Scouting Ireland will agree is quite a significant charge, primarily because we are talking about individuals' professional ethics, etc. Tusla stated that "key personnel ... in safeguarding [positions] may have been compromised and further consideration may have to be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Will Mr. Tennant confirm the figure of 180 individuals who have been in contact?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: I made the point to Mr. Smyth that Scouting Ireland has been under extraordinary scrutiny. This committee has been involved for over a year, Mr. Elliott for longer and Dr. Lawlor for longer again. We all have various roles to play but I am referring to what we are trying to achieve collectively by way of service improvements, including the latest iteration in this regard, which is the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Given that Mr. Elliott has been providing information to the statutory authorities, namely, the Garda and Tusla, does it include names?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Given that Mr. Elliott has been keeping comprehensive notes and providing them to the statutory authorities, did Tusla confirm to him that the person who contacted it with the complaint was one of the individuals named? Did it not provide him with that information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: My second last question relates to the establishment of facts when dealing with an allegation that might be made, be it in respect of a den, an overnight trip or another activity. Tusla has made a significant observation and contribution on the subject of interviewing or the verification of what constitutes an interview and what is simply establishing facts in order to make progress on an...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: I have to go back to my initial comment on the publication of the letter from Tusla and the fact it contains very specific information. I queried - cautioned perhaps is a better description - the terminology used. Unfortunately, I must refer to the fact there is an allegation using specific terminology with regard to conduct. I do not want the witnesses to answer. I simply make the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: In fairness, Dr. Lawlor, I do not think that we have received that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: The only information that the committee has is a breakdown of the victims who have been in contact with Scouting Ireland's helpline, which I put in the correspondence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Aside from that, the information that the Deputy is seeking is completely different. If it was submitted but did not get to us, we hope the witnesses can figure that out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: In fairness, it is Deputy Rabbitte's question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Before Deputy Rabbitte continues, I bring to everybody's attention that there is another meeting booked for this room and we must vacate it by approximately 3 p.m. There is plenty of time. I have the three remaining members offering on the list but I am just bringing that to the attention of members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Dr. Lawlor.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: I thank Dr. Lawlor.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Please do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: Only hours before, I believe she said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance and Child Safeguarding Issues in Scouting Ireland: Tusla and Scouting Ireland (13 Mar 2019)

Alan Farrell: I call Dr. Lawlor who will be followed by Deputy Mitchell.

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