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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We want this in the briefing note in advance of the meeting so that we can have a productive meeting when the Department appears before us. That is noted and published. No. 2461 is from Julie Sinnamon of Enterprise Ireland, responding to our request for an information note regarding the loan write-off to the value of €7.7 million. It is a very detailed and comprehensive letter....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I urge Deputies to keep their comments brief in deference to the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When we note and publish that today people will see that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will call Deputy MacSharry and then conclude discussion of the matter because it merits a detailed discussion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. I ask Deputy MacSharry to be brief. I do not want to open up the debate because Deputy Kelly, who raised the issue in parliamentary questions, is not here yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This arises from a series of parliamentary questions tabled by Deputy Kelly in the past couple of months and advice from the Office of the Ceann Comhairle and the Office of the Attorney General. Out of deference to the Deputy, we will hold discussion of this matter for another day. The content is shocking.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will note and publish it and discuss it at our next meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but it is individuals.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a sole trader.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it is a payment made to a person, it is personal information, whereas a company or partnership is not covered.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a joke. It is a disgrace if GDPR prevents taxpayers from knowing how their money is spent. We will come back to this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. The matter merits a serious discussion and we will hold it over until the next day. We will note and publish the document in the meantime. No. 2468 is correspondence from Mr. Denis Leamy, chief executive, Cork Education and Training Board, providing information requested by the committee on the number of contracts that were non-compliant with procurement guidelines in 2018.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We will do work on non-procurement and the design of contracts. I acknowledge that the board has given a detailed breakdown of how the figure of €2 million was arrived at. That is a substantial amount and the biggest item is bus hire. A comprehensive breakdown has been provided. As with Tusla, I thank CETB for that. Having the information is the first step in correcting the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: In fairness, I will answer that. I have studied the various correspondence. All the SBCI has stated in the past is the total number of employees in organisations that have benefited from SBCI loans. That is not an appropriate figure from our point of view.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This was sold as the number of people whose jobs are supported by the SBCI. However, I will read out this sentence again; "we are unable to fulfil directly the committee's request for a breakdown of the number of jobs supported by the SBCI". The SBCI acknowledges that it cannot do it. If it cannot provide that information on a national basis, it is because it does not have it. We will not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will ask the secretariat to provide that. We have noted and discussed the correspondence at length. We are vigilant in reviewing the information presented in annual reports and distinguishing the impression it gives from the reality. No. 2473 is correspondence from Ms Leonora Harty, assistant governor of the Higher Education Authority, HEA, providing information on international...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are moving from direct subvention from a Department which will no longer be there, to be replaced by the payment of rates on a national valuation basis by a commercial State organisation, namely, Irish Water. In the figures the Comptroller and Auditor General provided, has he included the funding figure from commercial State organisations such as, for example, the ESB and Irish Water...

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