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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This was not picked up until 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The circular arrangement in relation to Renault and Ryan Tubridy was not picked up until 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We were told the other day that the €120,000 that is being investigated was not paid to Ryan Tubridy. RTÉ and Grant Thornton are looking for that €120,000 but there seems to have been some convoluted way of apportioning that. I do not know why it would be apportioned if it was not paid. Did Deloitte pick up anything on any of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: When was that presented?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Was there a note in the audit about it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I would have thought, if something was a little unusual, that attention would be drawn to it in the audit.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: If the Comptroller and Auditor General was auditing this, would he have drawn attention to that kind of thing?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I want to go back to the legal document over which the witnesses are claiming privilege. The person was not being advised on rights or entitlements. Was it not the case this was around the consideration of a contract? Would that not be legal assistance rather than anything else?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: When is Ms Mullooly likely to have that review?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It would have been helpful to have that matter resolved by now. Going back to the redundancy issue, we were told there were two sets of redundancies, which were in the public domain. There were the redundancies in 2017. We were told Breda O'Keeffe was party to the 2017 redundancy package. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I had understood she was still there in 2020.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Then there was a 2019 exit package. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Was she the most senior person who exited, as Mr. Lynch recalls? He would have been involved or would have had a responsibility, as would the director general and the HR person, to sign off on this. Is it right to say he would have considered this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Was Ms O'Keeffe the most senior person involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The whole idea of this was that there would be a cost saving. I have already highlighted that the role was still there. Was there a cost saving in this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: If the role is not redundant, I imagine there is a revenue issue there. That will have to be clarified.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Several people have made a point about the seventh untruth. Ryan Tubridy said in his statement: [B]ecause of how RTÉ reported that decision in its accounts, the narrative of the last three weeks has been that not only did I take this payment but that I somehow contrived to hide it. Let me reiterate: I actually waived my entitlement to this payment... We have heard from Ms Ní...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is accepted that the sum was not paid. Grant Thornton is chasing after an amount that was not paid. Am I right on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Chair, I would like to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I will finish off the point with regard to the redundancy. Mr. Lynch was on that executive board - he told us that - yet he told us that the first time he heard about this exit package was two weeks ago. How could that be? If he was on that board, how would he not know?

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