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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would like to ask about words that come up in the public mind. Gas is deemed to be a transition fuel. Who came up with that definition? It comes from carbon, just like everything else. Is it a matter of convenience?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Has this been determined by the UN?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that a UN or EUROSTAT rule?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would like to concentrate on a CSO paper, Fossil Fuel and Similar Subsidies 2012-2016, for a couple of minutes before we finish up. This is one of the reasons I wanted to talk here. The Revenue Commissioners have given us some information about the collection of carbon taxes. The last figure I saw was for 2018. When officials from Revenue come in, we will ask them for an update. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Brady saying we are being incentivised to use more diesel?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who said that petrol was the benchmark? Was that decision made by EUROSTAT or by the UN? Is it an Irish benchmark?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is involved in the category of agriculture and food supports, which came to €1.49 billion in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would like to come back to the paragraph from the CSO report that I read a few moments ago. It appears somewhat perverse from a climate change perspective that we are incentivising the use of diesel, which is more harmful to the environment. We know that for other policy reasons, fuel allowance is given to people to help them to heat their houses during the winter. Much of that is spent...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will put some of those questions directly to representatives of the Department in two weeks' time, as they have more of a policy role than the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that simply one scenario? Is the prediction based on assumptions or is it simply a potential scenario?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I want to ask a question first. Is the 3.9% an average? Some people will make a significant change. More people will make no change. Some might go in the opposite direction. Not everyone will make a 3.9% decrease.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly will be the next speaker. Deputy Kate O'Connell will be after that. She missed her slot but we will bring her in next. I will slot Deputy Cullinane in as soon as possible.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank the witnesses. I must acknowledge that their opening statements were very brief. It is a very comprehensive report and some of the findings are very technical. I got frightened when I saw the mathematical formulae by which some of the figures were calculated. Deputies Catherine Murphy and Cullinane have indicated in that order. We do not have a set order of speakers....

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Accounts of the Public Services
Chapter 9 - Greenhouse Gas-Related Financial Transactions: Discussion
(5 Nov 2019)

Seán Fleming: The subsidies Mr. Morrin is talking about are connected with fossil fuels.

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