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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA carries the rest.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the mechanism? We can ask the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection about its costs in respect of free travel when it is next before the committee. How does the system whereby operators such as Go-Ahead, M&A Coaches, Kavanagh's, or the light rail services are paid to carry people with free travel passes work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am only talking about free travel pass-holders.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Gaston say that again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It does not come from the NTA.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. We will ask the Department that question. What is the situation in respect of contracted services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When might that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Were payments received this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Has it always been the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: How much did the NTA receive from the Department last year in respect of those payments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was a small sum

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: How does the NTA calculate what is owed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA does not know, when someone hops on a particular bus or light rail service, the length of the journey.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When did this all start? Why was it not always the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask the NTA to send the committee a note on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gaston is saying it is complicated. Without going back to data protection, when the issue of who knew what came up, there were questions about why the NTA was passing information on for the purposes of payment. The Comptroller and Auditor General was not quite sure whether the information was being used to get payment. The situation is evolving, which was not the case in the past. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, this is a demand-led scheme and the NTA really has no idea what it will cost. It all depends on how many people use the service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The figure for next year can only be estimated, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Once a person has a card, whether he or she uses it once a year or 1,000 times a year, the NTA has to pay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am thinking from the operators' point of view. Some complain that, while they have commercial levels of use, they are not getting enough paying customers, as they would see it. It is a factor in that equation.

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