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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: That is where the profit originates. There will be a certain amount that will go into recycle bins or whatever. Let us use the €1 million we talked about earlier. It is subject to VAT. The €4 million that is returned in terms of the deposit is not subject to VAT. Out of the €1 million that the operator retains, a portion of that is given to the retailer for a fee to...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Does this envisage that there is only one operator or multiple operators?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The legislation only provides for one operator.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Obviously, it could not work with multiple. It would be, for example, Repak or whatever.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: This deals with the flat rate for farmers. As the Minister knows, the farming sector is quite upset about the flat-rate compensation or addition for non-VAT registered is being changed from the current 5% to 4.8%. They make a number of points about the impact this will have on farmers, particularly given that costs have increased on farms. I note the Minister said this is required under...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is this kept under review for each year? Is that what applies in relation to calculating the appropriate rate depending on the input costs?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is the Minister certain that, if we were to leave it at 5%, we would be infringing on the VAT directive?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: On section 60, in relation to what is really a technical amendment, I want to get the Minister's or the Department's views in regard to some of the concerns that have been raised by tax professionals that there could be a negative impact on the ability to apply VAT exemption to professional support services provided in respect of the issues that are being clarified that are in fact outside of...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I understand that it is tidying up a technicality, but concerns were raised that doing this will possibly have a negative impact on the ability to apply a VAT exemption on the professional support services element which I understand was heretofore exempt.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I thank the Minister for clarifying that.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Did we deal with amendment No. 29?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Will the Minister speak to this section? This is for many people probably an unknown in terms of short-term residential leases and the impact of stamp duty in terms of the rental sector. Will the Minister speak to the section and then we will have a discussion on it, if that is okay?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: That means that, at the minute, if a person is renting a house and paying €3,300 per month, he or she is not subject to this stamp duty, and the Minister believes that level is too low. I know rents are out of control but this again is following the serious policy we have in terms of runaway rents and all the rest. However, these are rents that at present are at €3,300 and...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Can the Minister give the committee the details of how many properties have rents in excess of €3,333 per month, which means that they are the ones that were liable for this stamp duty?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I would appreciate that because I would be interested to learn how many properties that are not high-end properties are now charging over €3,300 per month. If the Minister could get those data, it would be helpful. There is obviously a reason this is being done. There is a €10,000 increase and as the Minister said, this follows on from an increase a number of years ago. It...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: How is that being implemented? Is it like a scenario where it is not a lease agreement as such but somebody has a continuous lease over many years? We rented our house for decades. That was just the way it was. In rural communities, there will be people who rent their house from the same person and spend their lives there so is it the case that if they continue to stay in that house for...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The Department has run a public consultation on the future of the bank levy that took place earlier this year so we are expecting further changes in the coming year, including possibly the number of entities that would come under its scope. I invite the Minister to say a few words on that or set out his current thinking regarding how the bank levy will apply beyond 2024. Will it only apply...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I have an amendment later but I will not speak to it because it is broadly in line with what we are discussing here. My amendment looks for a report and I am conscious that work is being done in the Department. The report has not been published yet. The Minister has said that he will possibly consider the scope of it over 2024 or 2023. When will the report be published? One of the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I move amendment No. 33: In page 90, between lines 1 and 2, to insert the following: “Report on the Banking Levy 71.The Minister shall, within six months of the passing of this Act, prepare and lay before Dáil Éireann a report on the banking levy and, in particular, the effective rate of the levy relative to the net interest income and operating profits of in-scope...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Section 71 provides for a stamp duty exemption on the transfer of Irish shares where they are dealt on a recognised stock exchange, particularly in the USA, Canada or elsewhere. I thought it would be appropriate when dealing with this section that I would invite the Minister to give his view and that of his Department on this measure, in the first instance, and the discrepancy between this...

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