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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: How does the NTA calculate what is owed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA does not know, when someone hops on a particular bus or light rail service, the length of the journey.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When did this all start? Why was it not always the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask the NTA to send the committee a note on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gaston is saying it is complicated. Without going back to data protection, when the issue of who knew what came up, there were questions about why the NTA was passing information on for the purposes of payment. The Comptroller and Auditor General was not quite sure whether the information was being used to get payment. The situation is evolving, which was not the case in the past. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, this is a demand-led scheme and the NTA really has no idea what it will cost. It all depends on how many people use the service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The figure for next year can only be estimated, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Once a person has a card, whether he or she uses it once a year or 1,000 times a year, the NTA has to pay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am thinking from the operators' point of view. Some complain that, while they have commercial levels of use, they are not getting enough paying customers, as they would see it. It is a factor in that equation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is operated through the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection, rather than through the NTA.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will follow this up with the Department, because it is expected before the committee in the coming weeks. That is fine. We mentioned the green schools travel programme earlier. What kind of budget does the NTA have for that scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The NTA is reimbursing An Taisce. I believe it was said that it is run through An Taisce

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Ms Graham know how many schools that covered and their location? How many are covered in each county?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask for that because I visited two primary schools in rural areas in my constituency recently, as public representatives are often asked to. There were more than 30 in the room in fifth and sixth class. I asked how many walked to school on that day and only one hand out of 31 went up. They were all being dropped to school. I am just saying it is not just urban areas where there are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----but it needs to be much more ambitious. That is all I am saying. Who has a role in bus shelters? Who decides where they go and when they are installed? I am sure there is not a town or a village not looking for a bus shelter for its area. People stand in the wind and rain and the NTA tells them that the location of bus shelters depends on certain matters and that advertising must...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: There we are. The committee represents the people out there. As I said, there is not a town or a village not looking for a bus shelter. I ask the witnesses to talk me through the process. I have not brought in a list of villages.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: From whom?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is the cost €10,000, €2,000-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Some of the bus stops will be used sometimes by private operators or at other times by other operators. Does the NTA have a rule of thumb such that if 100 people a day use a bus stop, that stop will qualify for a bus shelter, or would there have to be 200 people? I know it is not a black-and-white matter and the population of the area comes into it, but the NTA must have some criteria.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can the witnesses send us the criteria the NTA uses?

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