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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: There is an historical whistleblower who, in 2017, informed the previous provost that there potentially were serious weaknesses within the records system dating back to the early 2000s. The independent review found that the issue was worthy of attention and was being examined by UL. Clearly, that did not happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Which part?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: How many were implemented?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: So you fell down then on the 10%.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Has the rescinding of awards exposed UL to litigation?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Professor Kilcommins says he does not think so. He either does or does not know. It is not whether he thinks so. Have you taken legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: What was that legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: How long after the awards was that? How long were these students awarded?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: So one had received an award literally a year and a half previously and UL became aware of it, and then UL rescinded that award.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Professor Kilcommins is telling me that that had no impact whatsoever to the detriment of the student whom you rescinded it from.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Correct, but UL still made the award and then rescinded it.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That was not for which the student was at fault.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is Professor Kilcommins happy, categorically, that there will be no litigation arising from this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That was not my question. The question I asked was whether this exposed UL to further legal litigation.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Was that not done in 2015? Professor Kilcommins just said that there was a further report in 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: It seems things keep recurring in UL. That is the real issue with UL's credibility and we are being told that there is a new policy in place. You can have all the policies you like but they need to be followed through and implemented. What Professor Kilcommins just said to me was that the content of the first report was followed on by another report in 2015, which he said basically...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is it not laughable?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: University of Limerick (18 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I appreciate that. Is it not laughable that the Department took that action as a way of saying, "Step up here or you are not getting money" while on the other hand, the URDF hands out €750,000. How much funding did the Department withhold?

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