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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I refer to the methodology that has been used. We have established that there is a problem with the leaking of confidential material from Cabinet. Would Mr. Fraser agree that is the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: The question requires a simple "Yes" or "No". There is a problem with the leaking of information. I think this is an opportunity to get some information from Mr. Fraser, who has been tasked with heading up an investigation into the leaking of that information. On the methodology that has been used, has Mr. Fraser interviewed Ministers about the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I have an opportunity to pose some very serious questions on the leaking, which to my mind is a criminal matter, of confidential material relating to the appointment of Dr. Zappone-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: -----into the public arena from the Cabinet. Mr. Fraser has a role in investigating previous leaks from Cabinet which we established back in January. He is refusing to give us any information on the methodology of the investigation he has been tasked to head up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I am not looking for information as to what-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: -----the findings are.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I am just asking about the methodology of the investigation that has been carried out by Mr. Fraser-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: -----surrounding the appointment of Dr. Zappone.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: "No" is the answer to that. Regarding the methodology for previous investigations, did Mr. Fraser speak to Ministers about the leaking of information previously?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Is that investigation ongoing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Okay, the Chairman will not allow that question. I will ask this question then. Mr. Fraser has headed up a number of investigations going back to 2017. There were media reports relating to the leaking of confidential Cabinet material two years later. We are led to believe by a report in one of the newspapers that the investigation still ongoing. We now know there was an investigation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: The only reason we have been talking about this issue over recent months is because it has been leaked from Cabinet. That is the only reason we are talking about this here now. It is critical to get some information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: The only reason he is here is because of the information leaked from Cabinet in the first place.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I am trying to establish what is being done by Mr. Fraser-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: -----who has been tasked by Cabinet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I have made no political charges whatsoever. I disagree entirely with that charge. I have made no political charges to Mr. Fraser. I am just trying to establish some key facts. The reason we are talking about this matter again today is because that private confidential information was leaked from Cabinet. It has now been established that back in 2017 and in January, Mr. Fraser headed up...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Absolutely not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: There is no charge against the public service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: There is no charge against the public service whatsoever. Perhaps Mr. Fraser might answer the question I posed to him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Sorry, Chairman-----

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