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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Does Dr. Boylan acknowledge a difference of opinion between him and Dr. Abigail Aiken, who he quoted last week and who seems to be at pains to stress the safety of abortion pills? Dr. Boylan has spoken about the relative danger of importing or using abortion pills.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Further to the question I asked earlier, if abortion was legal in Ireland would Dr. Boylan be willing to carry out abortions in the way they are carried out in Britain and at the various terms they are allowed there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Very briefly, I will ask Dr. Boylan the same question that I asked of Professor Arulkumaran. Is he aware of the Fergusson research around the mental health sequelae of abortion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Is Dr. Boylan across its detail?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I have a final question for Professor Arulkumaran. The professor evokes a situation where Ireland is dangerous, despite the fact that we have not had any criminal prosecution of doctors and despite the fact that we do not have a history of mothers losing their lives because of the lack of abortion in Ireland. The professor's own report into the Savita Halappanavar affair did not claim that....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Has the professor commented on the problems?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: A botched abortion is a situation where a mother suffers adverse health, for example, in the case of an Irish woman who died in a taxi coming from a Marie Stopes clinic, or a situation where a baby is alive after the procedure and is left to die.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Professor Arulkumaran accepts that women have died as a result of-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: That is what has happened-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I accept that, but can I make one final point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: It is not a question. This bears out my concern.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Risks to Health, Including Physical Health, of Pregnant Women: Professor Sabaratnam Arulkumaran, Dr. Peter Boylan and Dr. Meabh Ní Bhuinneáin (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Yes, it is. I want to put on record that this further bears out my concern that there simply is not enough time available to examine carefully what witnesses are claiming, which makes this a really farcical process on a life or death issue. I want to put that on the public record.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I oppose the taking of this vote.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Before the Chairman puts this to a vote, is it open to members to propose an amendment to that motion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I am asking whether I can propose an amendment that this be deferred until all witnesses have been heard by the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I did not agree. It is open to me to reserve my position until we are in public session and I can air it in a fully transparent way. I do not agree with anything that has gone on here or with the way in which the one motion we had down today was withdrawn in favour of a completely different motion. I believe that I am entitled to oppose the taking of this vote, though I am open to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I am aware of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: What about my proposed amendment to the motion? Is it not normally the procedure that we start with the amendment and work back?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I do, but I am entitled to reserve my approach until the public session in the presence of the media and so that the public can know what is going on. I have already stated that this is a farcical process and people know my view on this. We have not had enough time to question witnesses and there has been a whole range of problems. I think I am entitled to ask whether I am at this point...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Options for Constitutional Change (18 Oct 2017)

Rónán Mullen: No notice was given of this motion.

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