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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will you explain who is who, or the difference? You used the word "director". It probably applies to both.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: What do you call the board members?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are any of the directors with you today members of the board?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I see that here in the book. That is what confused me. Mr. Creegan is here in a dual capacity, as a director and board member.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Graham is as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Fred Barry is the chairperson. He was also recently appointed chairperson of the new national children's hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: He is a busy man. The first speaker today is Deputy Catherine Murphy, who has 20 minutes. The second speaker is Deputy O'Connell who has 15 minutes and the following speakers in the following sequence, Deputies Cullinane, MacSharry, Cassells and Munster, have ten minutes each.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It will not be taken out of the Deputy's time. It would be helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: How often does the Department provide an update on the cards that are blocked or no longer valid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: So what Mr. Gaston is saying-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department sends notification that a free travel card is no longer valid and it takes a least a month for the NTA's system to pick that up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Why can it not be done electronically overnight? Somebody has to go after the people with the cards for a refund or to get the money back for using the card. In a case I raised at a previous committee meeting, a person had been using a card for well over a month. Let us be clear that the card in this case should not have been used during that time. At the end, the person received a bill...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When will that be? It seems very-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The IT is not speedily up to date. It is slow.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not as efficient as the NTA would like it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: From agencies?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Before I call Deputy Cullinane, Deputy O'Connell asked that various items of information should be submitted to us through the secretariat.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: When sending that note, the NTA might provide a breakdown of the 149 people who are on contracts. Is there a company in town supplying ten, 20, 30 or 40 of them? Probably one or two employment agencies or consultancy firms are supplying a lot of these people. The breakdown should show who is providing them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will pick up on that point. In all our years here, we have never seen any State body where more than 50% of its day-to-day workforce was contracted in. I have never encountered it before. It is extraordinary. Is the Department aware of how out of sync this is with every other public body? The NTA has sanction for 140 staff, but that does not even remotely address this issue. The cost...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the National Transport Authority (10 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a question for the Department about the Estimates process this year. Why did the Department seek an extra €10 million to pay for contract staff when it knew it could save that amount by increasing the permitted employment ceiling? The officials might not be able to answer that now, but they must address it. We have never seen a situation previously where over 50% of the...

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