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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Reduction of Carbon Emissions of 51% by 2030: Discussion (Resumed) (2 Nov 2021)

Brian Leddin: Mr. Sheehan or Dr. Dunford, if you wish to come in, feel free to do so. I call Deputy Cronin who joins us online.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Reduction of Carbon Emissions of 51% by 2030: Discussion (Resumed) (2 Nov 2021)

Brian Leddin: Thank you. I do not come from an agricultural background, but I have been a member of Oireachtas agriculture committee for the last year and it truly has been an education. However, this session has been even more of an education. I am fascinated by both the Burren project and the BRIDE Project. They are very different in that one is dairy whereas the Burren project is small farms and is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: The purpose of this meeting is to continue with our pre-legislative scrutiny of the general scheme of the circular economy Bill. I welcome Dr. Geraldine Brennan, head of circular economy at Irish Manufacturing Research, who is contributing on behalf of CIRCULÉIRE, the National Platform for Circular Manufacturing. I thank her for appearing before the committee to discuss the general...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I thank Dr. Brennan for her statement. Can I get agreement from members that we will limit questions to two minutes, and we will certainly come back for second or third rounds if there is time? Agreed. I will go first. I happened to be speaking with some senior people in the J&J group this week on a different matter. They operate one of the largest contact lenses manufacturing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: With respect to the scheme before us, is Dr. Brennan seeing enough in there that will drive industry and manufacturing in that direction, or is that more for the action plan as opposed to the framework legislation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I thank Dr. Brennan for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: There are quite a few questions there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Is Deputy Bruton happy with that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: They were comprehensive questions and very comprehensive answers. I look forward to reading the transcript of the meeting as there is so much interesting information being given to us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I thank Senator O'Reilly for her questions and Dr. Brennan for her answers. If Dr. Brennan could get her supplementary information to us by Friday week, it would be fantastic, as we could then consider it in the drafting of our report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: The audio dropped off for a second. Could the Deputy repeat her remark, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Yes. Go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: Before starting the second round of questions, I have a question that might be related more to implementation than the proposed Bill. The witness might tell me if it is relevant to the Bill. It relates to the analysis of waste and material flows in our economy and society. Have we confidence in it and is it granular enough? Can we measure those flows so we know exactly what is happening?...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I take that point. Dr. Brennan might indicate in supplementary information what happens in those other countries. She might indicate where this level of auditing is perhaps more exact and breeds more confidence. That would be fantastic.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I thank Dr. Brennan. Before I bring in Senator O'Reilly again, I will make a related point. We spoke about carrots and sticks. I acknowledge that this may not be Dr. Brennan's area, so she should feel free not to go down this road, but she might have something to say about the carbon border adjustment mechanism, which the European Union is talking about. It seems to me that this is an...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: It is an interesting area and another thing coming down the tracks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Circular Economy Bill 2021: Discussion (Resumed) (21 Oct 2021)

Brian Leddin: I draw members' attention to the material that has been provided, which is very extensive. There is the public consultation that CIRCULÉIRE submitted to the Department in June. It has been circulated to members. It is very thorough and interesting. Section 1.2 refers to Slovenia's journey from circular economy laggard to leader. I suspect that might be an example we could look to....

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