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Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Deputy Smyth has a commitment and she might join us a little bit later in the meeting. The purpose of the meeting is to consider the Committee Stage of the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022. I welcome the Minister for Justice, Deputy McEntee, to our meeting. This is an example of the system working well, in the sense that this is a Bill we took in at the start of the term. We...

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Deputy Howlin is not here to move amendment No. 1.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 2, 15, 25 and 26 are related and will be discussed together.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: That all seems to make sense.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 3, 4 and 9 are related and may be taken together. The amendments are in the names of Deputies Pringle, Daly, Martin Kenny, and Ó Snodaigh. The first three Deputies are members of this committee while Deputy Ó Snodaigh is not. As such, he can put forward an amendment but he cannot vote on it.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: These amendments may be of interest to Conradh na Gaeilge as well.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: How stands amendment No. 3?

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: I believe there is a logic to that. A bilingual approach makes sense but I am not convinced about taking a monolingual approach. In any event, it does not arise as the member wishes to withdraw the amendment.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 5 and 8 are related and may be taken together.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: It strikes me that requiring all the members of the commission to be fluid as Gaeilge may be a stretch at this time. When the Minister reviews the diversity heading, it might be a place to look at that.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendment No. 6 has had to be disallowed. A potential charge on the public purse arises from it. That was communicated yesterday to Deputy Daly as the moving party.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendment No. 11 was grouped with amendment No. 10. How stands that amendment?

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 12 to 14, inclusive, 27 and 28 are grouped because there is a commonality there.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 16 and 19 are related and will be discussed together.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: As Deputy Pringle is not present, amendment No. 18 falls.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendments Nos. 21 to 23, inclusive, are related and may be taken together.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: That is noted, Deputy.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: Amendment No. 28 falls because Deputy Pringle is not here.

Select Committee on Justice and Equality: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2022: Committee Stage (24 May 2022)

James Lawless: There is a merit to Deputy Daly's argument in that the Supreme Court almost exclusively deals with constitutional issues. The Court of Appeal may also do so but not to the same extent. However, I agree it would be a bridge too far to require all Supreme Court judges to be fluent as Gaeilge because it would not be realistic and it would be inconsistent with the diversification arguments....

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